V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Firefox web browser popularity wanes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 While Mozilla has hopes to become a mobile operating power with Firefox OS, it's made little progress against the two mobile operating system giants: Google with Android and Apple with iOS. This may be part of the problem. While Firefox is a great browser, Mozilla is devoting resources into developing a mobile operating system when they could instead be devoting those resources to making Firefox the best browser out there. Why is Chrome beating firefox? Why does IE still have such a large share? These are the questions Mozilla should be asking. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrke Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 This may be part of the problem. While Firefox is a great browser, Mozilla is devoting resources into developing a mobile operating system when they could instead be devoting those resources to making Firefox the best browser out there. Why is Chrome beating firefox? Why does IE still have such a large share? These are the questions Mozilla should be asking. Adam I think the answer about IE is the large number of users who simply use what comes on their system, and for all of them that would be IE. Never used Chrome, so don't have an opinion there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrine Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Although the "Other" browser number hasn't increased a lot, it has gone from 0.39% to 0.41%. From the number of people I've encountered in forums, I'll bet that 0.03% are Pale Moon users. As far as I'm concerned, Firefox's reputation has been tarnished by a lot more than ads and the CEO nonsense. I know I certainly became disenchanted with the rapid release cycle, changes that do not seem to have any legitimate purpose (e.g., the change to the search function in Firefox Version 25.0 resulting in the "find bar" is no longer shared between tabs) and, most recently, Australis, which people either love or hate. As to the increase in Chrome users, how much can be attributed to the pre-checked options to install Chrome and Google Toolbar with the Adobe Flash Player installer? Want Google Earth, Ad-Aware, Any Video Converter or RealPlayer? They include Chrome pre-checked. (Avast includes Chrome too but at least it isn't pre-checked.) So, folks who don't pay attention get another browser with the software they install and contribute to the increase in Chrome's numbers.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Probably quite a few are getting the browser and don't even know it, but if that were the case, it would not show up in the web stats. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Well, personally speaking, FF became a little less popular for me because I'm just sick and tired of the bloat, the resource hogging, and the crashes. I've experienced none of that, not a whit, with Chromium/Chrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I remember back when Netscape was still around and everything was bloated. Then all of a sudden Phoenix came out. It was super light, and extremely fast. I left the old browsers behind very quickly. Then Phoenix became firebird, and then Firefox. Firefox was great for a long time, then started to have issues and become more bloated. This seems familiar, right? Adam 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Yes. It does seem familiar. It's the same thing that happens to Americans as they age. They start off quick and slim and end up slow and bloated. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 What puzzles me is FF starts up very slowly and Pale Moon starts up very quickly. :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Ah, you noticed that too, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Ah, you noticed that too, eh? hard not to miss it, me thumbs are worn out with twiddling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlim Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I'm using Palemoon but I suspect that when I go to a website, I'm identified as running Win 7 and the Mozilla engine so wouldn't Palemoon and Firefox be lumped together as FF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LilBambi Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Quite so as it's the gecko engine as well and likely identifying it as such. But Palemoon still opens/loads faster than Firefox. Maybe Firefox should have hired Moonchild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 You can check to see how your browser is identifying itself to websites (user agent) by clicking here --> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ Here's what mine looks like... Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/35.0.1916.153 Safari/537.36 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Hah it got it wrong .Said my viewport was a laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 It can't get it wrong. That website just reads your user agent string directly from your browser's page request. If it's wrong, your browser is lying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrine Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I remember back when Netscape was still around and everything was bloated. Then all of a sudden Phoenix came out. It was super light, and extremely fast. I left the old browsers behind very quickly. Then Phoenix became firebird, and then Firefox. Firefox was great for a long time, then started to have issues and become more bloated. This seems familiar, right? Adam Either you were looking over my shoulder, Adam, or I was looking over yours because I did the exact same thing! UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20140610 Firefox/24.0 PaleMoon/24.6.2 It correctly saw the ESR 24 that Pale Moon is built from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Well somethings lying ,I'm on a PC not a laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Post what it's saying Cap'n. I'm curious now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0, maximum-scale=1.0, user-scalable=no" /> Telling me to use this .Dunno why . Swings and roundabouts Then this You!! Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:30.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/30.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Well, it got your flag right. You're running 32 bit Linux using the newest FF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Maybe your browser is blocking something because this is what that page should look like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_9_4) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/35.0.1916.153 Safari/537.36 Looks right for me. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Prolly the firewall . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross549 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 A firewall will not block browser user agent data. That data is part of the standard handshaking with a web server. EVERY web server knows what browsers are accessing it. Adam Ninja Edit: Unless you instruct the browser to lie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrke Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 A firewall will not block browser user agent data. That data is part of the standard handshaking with a web server. EVERY web server knows what browsers are accessing it. Adam Ninja Edit: Unless you instruct the browser to lie. The old Konqueror used to let you choose your user agent. Seems to me there used to be a FF plugin to do that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 How to manually set custom user agent info: http://www.howtogeek.com/113439/how-to-change-your-browsers-user-agent-without-installing-any-extensions/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I feel serious trouble on my horizon . FF30. is taking ages to load the main page and the tabs are crawling , Not the zapper it was yesterday . I'll know for sure tomorrow . It could be my ISP is messin about . Cant find anything on Mozzie's site that may indicate problems with the browser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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