Using Windows XP Pro without activation

[FuzzDuckie]

Is this even possible? For example installing Win XP Pro on a computer that won't be connected to the internet. I am guessing that it will still demand the Actication key (by telephone)For the most part I know that it isn't.I have an idiot acquaintance who has taken it upon himself in wanting to learn how Windows XP Pro works (such as installing/uninstalling/troubleshooting) but does not want to pay out the $$ for it and does not plan to do the Windows Updates/security updates as it won't be 'online"Needless to say I'm strongly against him doing it. He says he found a ::koff:: ed copy of XP Corporate edition. From my reading/googling, this requires no keys or registrations. So a person can just go weee weee all the way through and have a working copy of Win XP Pro with the Corp edition?thoughts?No it's not me. and No I did not suggest for him to do it. I wish he'd leave me alone about it too- asking me to look at these sites...Thanks muchIf this is not an appropriate topic...my apologies....just tying to find updated information...all the info I have from google is old.Duck

[NICK ADSL UK]

You can certainly install xp pro without being connected to the INTERNET. You will be asked on installing to put your key in and you do not have to do anything else. Should you try any to install with a disk that you personally have not purchased you will not get very far so you can rule that route out. On any type of update that you need from Microsoft you will have to install a direct x plug in this will provide Microsoft with the necessary information that you are running a genuine copy of windowsRegards

[Jeber]

If I recall correctly, he's got 30 days before his inactivated copy shuts down. Why should he be interested in learning about a system he doesn't want to properly install? Tell him to get Linux.

[epp_b]

If it's ed, it will be hacked. I've seen hacked versions where the product activation "grace period" is something to the effect of a millenium.I'm not condoning this, but the simple answer is that it would work perfectly fine if he's not online.

Edited December 2, 2005 by epp_b

[greengeek]

The corp. edition with the right key works perfectly fine on the 'net and SP2 installs too.

[FuzzDuckie]

1. consumer editions time out in 30 days.2. volume licensing (corporate, if you will) editions do not need activation.3. hacked versions - yikes, what else may be in there? and not to be on the internet? blasphemy i tell you, blasphemy!!

He's on the internet....I know he has a Windows98 machine and his mom's WinXP Home?? Laptop connected. Apparently he has a 3rd computer somewhere in the picture he wants to install this ::ahem: copy on but NOT have it connected to the 'net.Near as I can tell though the one he was looking at is definately a hacked copy because it has Adobe Acrobat in there...FireFox, ccleaner and a couple of other stuff that slips my mind. certainly NOT a "CLEAN" install. That's why I feel like its a flakey thing to do.But...what the hey what do I know...he seemed to want to do this...why he's asking MY opinion anyway is beyond me. Told him what I thought- haven't heard back since.Thanks for the info on the 30 days time limit on the consumer versions...I'll tell him that....or not...let him learn. heh....

[patio]

Why is this discussion continuing ? ? ?patio.

[greengeek]

Why is this discussion continuing ? ? ?patio.

I thought Fuzzie had finished it with his last post?

[havnblast]

Why is this discussion continuing ? ? ?patio.

why should it stop? It's his friend's choice to install it on a computer that isn't going to be used on the internet and it only sounds like he is just curious about winXP. I say go for it and if they continue to use to buy a fully licensed copy. I'm all for fully working trials before buying. I'm fussy with my software and normally try out several kinds of the same software till I find one I like. I hate trials that are limited, I can not fully test it.I'm not saying steal or borrow it, just try it out and if it works, do the right thing and buy it. If they toast their computer from a pirated version, well than maybe it will be a hard lesson learned.

[Marsden11]

Grabbing a hacked or unhacked VLK version of XP off any torrent is stealing.

[epp_b]

Not if you don't like it and get rid of it. What's wrong with Microsoft's software sales model is that you can only try it after you buy it -- and then you're stuck with whether you like it or not.I don't see anything wrong with trying it for a month, then buying it if you like it (and want to continue using it) or discarding it if you don't.

Edited December 5, 2005 by epp_b

[muckshifter]

I have a "legitimate" copy of XP Pro Corporate Edition Multilingual five CDs cost me £36 ... clearly states a Volume Licence Product Key Required, March 2003 Systems Windows Client: Business ... Half green and silver CDs with MS Hologram. Not for retail or OEM Distribution. Not for resale. Works lovely though, no problem. However, when MS brought out their Genuine checking thingie it failed ... So now I use Linux.

[Marsden11]

If your disks were in fact Not For Resale, Not For Retail... why did you pay money for them?I believe they are counterfeit, that is why they will not pass Genuine Valadation.XP is supposed to ship with an "Edge to Edge" hologram that covers the entire disk...

I don't see anything wrong with trying it for a month, then buying it if you like it (and want to continue using it) or discarding it if you don't.

Hey, I wonder if my local BMW dealer would terribly mind if I stole one of his new 325i models and tried it for a month and then paid him If I decided to keep it? Edited December 5, 2005 by Marsden11

[Peachy]

muckshifter, You may have got the CD for £36, but the Volume Licence Key you used was probably illegitimate. When Microsoft sells you their OS via corporate VLK, you pay for two things: 1) the actual media (about $25US), and 2) the actual VLK contract, which is considerably much more.

[muckshifter]

I did not know what I was getting ... until I got them. That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.

[epp_b]

Hey, I wonder if my local BMW dealer would terribly mind if I stole one of his new 325i models and tried it for a month and then paid him If I decided to keep it?

Oh, please no analogies. I've tried as many as I possibly can, and they just don't work -- because they're not the same! You cannot compare a physical material thing to something that can be perfectly digitially duplicated.Secondly, car dealers will let you test drive a car and some will let you take it home for a few days so that you can get a feel for it to see if you like it. Microsoft doesn't do that. Obviously, they've never heard of a free trial period.

[Marsden11]

You're right, they are not the same but that does not diminish the point I was making. You feel MS is wrong not to have a free trial for XP. Therefore are you justified in stealing it. Please explain how theft only applies to physical objects...You can get it with the purchase of a new PC.You can purchase an Upgrade copy for less than the full retail price.You can purchase an Academic copy (pennies on the dollar) if you are so inclined.You could sign up for the MS Partners program and get 10 copies (licenses) for the yearly subscription price of $300.You have plenty of options!For all of the other products that MS offers, there are full featured trial versions from 60 to 180 days. The MS Server products cost way more than XP. ****, you can even sign up for a copy of BizTalk Server. That sucker retails for $30K!

[Marsden11]

I forgot to list purchasing a small piece of hardware and an OEM copy of XP.There are PC refurbishers involved in the MS MAR program that will give you a used PC with Win2K installed. They may charge a small fee for the machine. A group I'm connected with only charges $10 for a refurbished PC. They pay MS $5 per copy of MS Win 98 or MS Win2K Pro. They also offer MS Works for $5 per copy.

Edited December 6, 2005 by Marsden11

[clhenry]

I guess i'm still old school. You should pay for what you get. But i also believe that since i bought it, i should be able to put it on all my home computers, without having to buy the same thing 2 or 3 times. To me that is theft on their part.

[epp_b]

I have to agree with clhenry here. There is no reason, other than Microsoft's greed and/or yet another lousy DRM system, that users shouldn't be able to install the same copy of an OS onto more than one machine that they own.

Edited December 6, 2005 by epp_b

[Marsden11]

Every person who buys a copy of XP gets to make a choice of free will. Do I agree with the EULA or not? Your choice. The EULA says "one copy" on "one machine." If you can't live with that restriction then you have Apple or many Unix flavors to choose from. The majority on the planet seem to be able to abide with the current ways. I have seen that XP has been growing on average 1.11% per month for the last 13 months...If you don't agree with it, uninstall it and use something else.Many try to make distinctions on what property is and isn't. I think we need to distinguish the "natural" rights from the "real." One can argue all day about which rights are natural and which are not. But the fact that something is natural is no basis for justifying it - that's why philosophers call it "the naturalistic fallacy". At the same time, however, there is a nature vs. nurture aspect to these rights which needs to be considered. Some of our social behavior is more "hard-wired" than others. Ignoring human nature is something we do at our peril, as is creating social systems that are premised on contradictions of human nature. I believe that the notion of property in the abstract is a hard-wired human behavior, but *which* things we consider property is not... because the definition of property is constantly changing! Are human beings property? At one time they were... now they are not. Slavery is only one example, others I can list include papal indulgences, portions of the electromagnetic spectrum, and pollution credits. At one time in our history, we considered "land rights" to extend upward all the way to infinity. That idea lasted until the first time someone tried to collect rent for airplanes flying over his land...

[Marsden11]

It was not so much murder per say but rather the attempt of genocide of several ethnic groups or crimes against humanity...

[epp_b]

Wow...just when you thought we highlanders couldn't get any more off-topic, we shift from operating systems to naziis. Yikes

Every person who buys a copy of XP gets to make a choice of free will. Do I agree with the EULA or not? Your choice. The EULA says "one copy" on "one machine."

Oh, and those EULAs are sooo useful considering that you can only see them once you've forked out $200 for product.

[Marsden11]

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Except for the Limited Warranty and to the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, Manufacturer and its suppliers (including MS, Microsoft Corporation (including its subsidiaries) and their respective suppliers) provide the SOFTWARE and support services (if any) AS IS AND WITH ALL FAULTS, and hereby disclaim all other warranties and conditions, whether express, implied or statutory, including, but not limited to, any (if any) implied warranties, duties or conditions of merchantability, of fitness for a particular purpose, of reliability or availability, of accuracy or completeness of responses, of results, of workmanlike effort, of lack of viruses, and of lack of negligence, all with regard to the SOFTWARE, and the provision of or failure to provide support or other services, information, software, and related content through the SOFTWARE or otherwise arising out of the use of the SOFTWARE. ALSO, THERE IS NO WARRANTY OR CONDITION OF TITLE, QUIET ENJOYMENT, QUIET POSSESSION, CORRESPONDENCE TO DESCRIPTION OR NON- INFRINGEMENT WITH REGARD TO THE SOFTWARE. 23. EXCLUSION OF INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL AND CERTAIN OTHER DAMAGES. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, IN NO EVENT SHALL MANUFACTURER OR ITS SUPPLIERS (INCLUDING MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION, (INCLUDING ITS SUBSIDIARIES) AND THEIR RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS) BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, PUNITIVE, INDIRECT, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES WHATSOEVER (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS OR CONFIDENTIAL OR OTHER INFORMATION, FOR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION, FOR PERSONAL INJURY, FOR LOSS OF PRIVACY, FOR FAILURE TO MEET ANY DUTY OF GOOD FAITH OR OF REASONABLE CARE, FOR NEGLIGENCE, AND FOR ANY OTHER PECUNIARY OR OTHER LOSS WHATSOEVER) ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY RELATED TO THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE THE SOFTWARE, THE PROVISION OF OR FAILURE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT OR OTHER SERVICES, INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, AND RELATED CONTENT THROUGH THE SOFTWARE, OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE, OR OTHERWISE UNDER OR IN CONNECTION WITH ANY PROVISION OF THIS EULA, EVEN IN THE EVENT OF THE FAULT, TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE), MISREPRESENTATION, STRICT LIABILITY, BREACH OF CONTRACT OR BREACH OF WARRANTY OF MANUFACTURER OR ANY SUPPLIER (INCLUDING MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (INCLUDING ITS SUBSIDIARIES) AND THEIR RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS), AND EVEN IF MANUFACTURER OR ANY SUPPLIER (INCLUDING MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (INCLUDING ITS SUBSIDIARIES) AND THEIR RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS) HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. 24. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY AND REMEDIES. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY DAMAGES THAT YOU MIGHT INCUR FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, ALL DAMAGES REFERENCED HEREIN AND ALL DIRECT OR GENERAL DAMAGES IN CONTRACT OR ANYTHING ELSE), THE ENTIRE LIABILITY OF MANUFACTURER AND ANY OF ITS SUPPLIERS (INCLUDING MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (INCLUDING ITS SUBSIDIARIES) AND THEIR RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS) UNDER ANY PROVISION OF THIS EULA AND YOUR EXCLUSIVE REMEDY HEREUNDER (EXCEPT FOR ANY REMEDY OF REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT ELECTED BY MANUFACTURER WITH RESPECT TO ANY BREACH OF THE LIMITED WARRANTY) SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE GREATER OF THE ACTUAL DAMAGES YOU INCUR IN REASONABLE RELIANCE ON THE SOFTWARE UP TO THE AMOUNT ACTUALLY PAID BY YOU FOR THE SOFTWARE OR US$5.00. THE FOREGOING LIMITATIONS, EXCLUSIONS AND DISCLAIMERS (INCLUDING SECTIONS 21, 22, AND 23) SHALL APPLY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, EVEN IF ANY REMEDY FAILS ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE.25. APPLICABLE LAW. If you acquired this SOFTWARE in the United States, this EULA is governed by the laws of the State of Washington. If you acquired this SOFTWARE in Canada, unless expressly prohibited by local law, this EULA is governed by the laws in force in the Province of Ontario, Canada; and, in respect of any dispute which may arise hereunder, you consent to the jurisdiction of the federal and provincial courts sitting in Toronto, Ontario. If you acquired this SOFTWARE in the European Union, Iceland, Norway, or Switzerland, then local law applies. If you acquired this SOFTWARE in any other country, then local law may apply. 26. U.S. GOVERNMENT LICENSE RIGHTS. All Software provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to solicitations issued on or after December 1, 1995 is provided with the commercial license rights and restrictions described elsewhere herein. All Software provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to solicitations issued prior to December 1, 1995 is provided with 'Restricted Rights' as provided for in FAR, 48 CFR 52.227-14 (JUNE 1987) or DFAR, 48 CFR 252.227-7013 (OCT 1988), as applicable. 27. ENTIRE AGREEMENT; SEVERABILITY. This EULA (including any addendum or amendment to this EULA which is included with the Software) is the entire agreement between you and Manufacturer relating to the Software and the support services (if any) and they supersede all prior or contemporaneous oral or written communications, proposals and representations with respect to the Software or any other subject matter covered by this EULA. If any provision of this EULA is held to be void, invalid, unenforceable or illegal, the other provisions shall continue in full force and effect.Si vous avez acquis le Logiciel au CANADA, la garantie limitée suivante s'applique :GARANTIE LIMITÉELe Fabricant (identifié ci-dessus en anglais comme " Manufacturer ") garantit que le Logiciel fonctionnera substantiellement en conformité avec la documentation qui l'accompagne pour une période de quatre-vingt-dix (90) jours suivant la date de réception.Si une garantie ou condition implicite est créée par votre État ou votre territoire et qu'une loi fédérale ou provinciale ou d'un État en interdit le déni, vous jouissez également d'une garantie ou condition implicite, MAIS UNIQUEMENT POUR LES DÉFAUTS DÉCOUVERTS DURANT LA PÉRIODE DE LA PRÉSENTE GARANTIE LIMITÉE (QUATRE-VINGT-DIX JOURS). IL N'Y A AUCUNE GARANTIE OU CONDITION DE QUELQUE NATURE QUE CE SOIT QUANT AUX DÉFAUTS DÉCOUVERTS APRES CETTE PÉRIODE DE QUATRE-VINGT-DIX JOURS. Certains États ou territoires ne permettent pas de limiter la durée d'une garantie ou condition implicite de sorte que la limitation ci-dessus peut ne pas s'appliquer à vous.Tous les suppléments ou toutes les mises à jour relatifs au Logiciel, notamment, les ensembles de services ou les réparations à chaud (le cas échéant) qui vous sont fournis après l'expiration de la période de quatre-vingt-dix jours de la garantie limitée ne sont pas couverts par quelque garantie ou condition que ce soit, expresse, implicite ou en vertu de la loi.LIMITATION DES RECOURS; ABSENCE DE DOMMAGES INDIRECTS OU AUTRES. Votre recours exclusif pour toute violation de la présente garantie limitée est décrit ci-après. Sauf pour tout remboursement au choix du Fabricant et dans la mesure maximale permise par le droit applicable, même si tout recours n'atteint pas son but essentiel, VOUS N'AVEZ DROIT A AUCUNS DOMMAGES, NOTAMMENT DES DOMMAGES INDIRECTS. Les termes de la clause " Exclusion des dommages accessoires, indirects et de certains autres dommages " sont également intégrés à la présente garantie limitée. Certains États ou territoires ne permettent pas l'exclusion ou la limitation des dommages indirects ou accessoires de sorte que la limitation ou l'exclusion ci-dessus peut ne pas s'appliquer à vous. La présente garantie limitée vous donne des droits légaux spécifiques. Vous pouvez avoir d'autres droits qui peuvent varier d'un territoire ou d'un État à un autre.VOTRE RECOURS EXCLUSIF. La seule responsabilité du Fabricant et de ses fournisseurs (y compris Microsoft Licensing, GP, Microsoft Ireland Operations Limited, Microsoft (China) Co. Limited (" MS ") Microsoft Corporation (y compris leurs filiales) et leurs fournisseurs respectifs) et votre recours exclusif pour toute violation de la présente garantie limitée ou pour toute autre violation du présent contrat ou pour toute autre responsabilité relative au Logiciel seront, selon le choix du Fabricant exercé de temps à autre sous réserve du droit applicable, a) le remboursement du prix payé, le cas échéant, pour le(s) produit(s) conformément aux politiques de retour du Fabricant, ou la réparation ou le remplacement du Logiciel qui ne respecte pas la présente garantie limitée et qui est retourné au Fabricant avec le Certificat d'authenticité et une copie de votre reçu à l'adresse spécifiée par le Fabricant. Vous recevrez la compensation choisie par le Fabricant, sans frais, sauf que vous êtes responsable pour toutes dépenses telles que spécifiées dans la documentation du Fabricant concernant les recours en cas de garantie. La présente garantie limitée est nulle si la défectuosité du Logiciel est causée par un accident, un usage abusif, une mauvaise application, un usage anormal ou un virus. Tout Logiciel de remplacement sera garanti pour le reste de la période initiale de la garantie ou pendant trente (30) jours, selon la plus longue entre ces deux périodes, et le Fabricant utilisera des efforts commercialement raisonnables pour vous fournir la compensation choisie dans un délai commercialement raisonnable après que vous vous soyez conformé aux procédures du Fabricant concernant les recours en cas de garantie.DÉNI DE GARANTIES. La garantie limitée qui apparaît ci-dessus constitue la seule garantie expresse qui vous est donnée et remplace toutes autres garanties expresses ou obligations similaires (s'il en est) créées par une publicité, un document, un emballage ou une autre communication. Sauf en ce qui a trait à la garantie limitée et dans la mesure maximale permise par le droit applicable, le Fabricant et ses fournisseurs (y compris MS, Microsoft Corporation (y compris leurs filiales) et leurs fournisseurs respectifs) fournissent le Logiciel et les services de soutien technique (le cas échéant) TELS QUELS ET AVEC TOUS LES DÉFAUTS et par les présentes ils dénient toutes autres garanties et conditions, expresses, implicites ou en vertu de la loi, notamment, mais sans limitation, (le cas échéant) les garanties, devoirs ou conditions implicites de qualité marchande, d'adaptation à une fin particulière, de fiabilité ou de disponibilité, d'exactitude ou d'exhaustivité des réponses, des résultats,des efforts déployés selon les règles de l'art, d'absence de virus et d'absence de négligence, le tout à l'égard du Logiciel et de la prestation ou de l'omission de la prestation des services de soutien technique ou autres services, renseignements, logiciels et contenu qui s'y rapporte grâce au Logiciel ou provenant autrement de l'utilisation du Logiciel. PAR AILLEURS, IL N'Y A AUCUNE GARANTIE OU CONDITION QUANT AU TITRE DE PROPRIÉTÉ, A LA JOUISSANCE OU A LA POSSESSION PAISIBLE, A LA CONCORDANCE A UNE DESCRIPTION NI QUANT A UNE ABSENCE DE CONTREFAÇON CONCERNANT LE LOGICIEL.EXCLUSION DES DOMMAGES ACCESSOIRES, INDIRECTS ET DE CERTAINS AUTRES DOMMAGES. DANS LA MESURE MAXIMALE PERMISE PAR LE DROIT APPLICABLE, EN AUCUN CAS LE FABRICANT OU SES FOURNISSEURS (Y COMPRIS MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS LEURS FILIALES) ET LEURS FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS) NE SERONT RESPONSABLES DES DOMMAGES SPÉCIAUX, INCIDENTS,PUNITIFS, INDIRECTS OU ACCESSOIRES DE QUELQUE NATURE QUE CE SOIT (Y COMPRIS, MAIS SANS LIMITATION, LES DOMMAGES POUR PERTE DE PROFIT OU POUR PERTE DE RENSEIGNEMENTS, CONFIDENTIELS OU AUTRES, POUR L'INTERRUPTION DES ACTIVITÉS, POUR BLESSURES CORPORELLES, VIOLATION DE LA VIE PRIVÉE, OMISSION DE REMPLIR TOUT DEVOIR DE BONNE FOI OU DE SOIN RAISONNABLE, POUR NÉGLIGENCE OU POUR TOUTE AUTRE PERTE PÉCUNIAIRE OU AUTRE PERTE DE QUELQUE NATURE QUE CE SOIT) SE RAPPORTANT DE QUELQUE MANIERE QUE CE SOIT A L'UTILISATION DU LOGICIEL OU A L'INCAPACITÉ DE S'EN SERVIR, A LA FOURNITURE OU A L'OMISSION DE FOURNIR DES SERVICES DE SOUTIEN TECHNIQUE OU AUTRES SERVICES, DES RENSEIGNEMENTS, LOGICIELS ET CONTENU QUI S'Y RAPPORTE GRACE AU LOGICIEL OU AUTREMENT EN VERTU DES TERMES DE TOUTE DISPOSITION DU PRÉSENT CONTRAT OU RELATIVEMENT A UNE TELLE DISPOSITION, MEME EN CAS DE FAUTE, DE DÉLIT CIVIL (Y COMPRIS LA NÉGLIGENCE), DE FAUSSE REPRÉSENTATION, DE RESPONSABILITÉ STRICTE, DE VIOLATION DE CONTRAT OU DE VIOLATION DE GARANTIE DU FABRICANT OU DE TOUT FOURNISSEUR (Y COMPRIS MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS LEURS FILIALES) ET LEURS FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS), ET CE, MEME SI LE FABRICANT OU TOUT FOURNISSEUR (Y COMPRIS MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS LEURS FILIALES) ET LEURS FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS) A ÉTÉ AVISÉ DE LA POSSIBILITÉ DE TELS DOMMAGES.LIMITATION DE RESPONSABILITÉ ET RECOURS. MALGRÉ LES DOMMAGES QUE VOUS PUISSIEZ SUBIR POUR QUELQUE MOTIF QUE CE SOIT (Y COMPRIS NOTAMMENT, MAIS SANS LIMITATION, TOUS LES DOMMAGES SUSMENTIONNÉS ET TOUS LES DOMMAGES DIRECTS OU GÉNÉRAUX, CONTRACTUELS OU AUTRES), LA SEULE RESPONSABILITÉ DU FABRICANT ET DE L'UN DE SES FOURNISSEURS (Y COMPRIS MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS LEURS FILIALES) ET LEURS FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS) AUX TERMES DE TOUTE DISPOSITION DU PRÉSENT CONTRAT ET VOTRE RECOURS EXCLUSIF EN VERTU DES PRÉSENTES (SAUF EN CE QUI CONCERNE TOUT RECOURS DE RÉPARATION OU DE REMPLACEMENT CHOISI PAR LE FABRICANT A L'ÉGARD DE TOUT MANQUEMENT A LA GARANTIE LIMITÉE) SE LIMITE AU PLUS ÉLEVÉ DES DOMMAGES RÉELS QUE VOUS AVEZ SUBIS EN VOUS FIANT RAISONNABLEMENT SUR LE LOGICIEL JUSQU'A CONCURRENCE DU MONTANT QUE VOUS AVEZ RÉELLEMENT PAYÉ POUR LE LOGICIEL OU 5,00 $US. LES LIMITES, EXCLUSIONS ET DÉNIS QUI PRÉCEDENT (Y COMPRIS LES CLAUSES CI-DESSUS) S'APPLIQUENT DANS LA MESURE MAXIMALE PERMISE PAR LE DROIT APPLICABLE, MEME SI TOUT RECOURS N'ATTEINT PAS SON BUT ESSENTIEL.A moins que cela ne soit prohibé par le droit local applicable, le présent contrat est régi par les lois en vigueur dans la province d'Ontario, Canada. En cas de tout différend qui pourrait surgir en vertu des présentes, vous consentez à la juridiction des tribunaux fédéraux et provinciaux siégeant à Toronto, dans la province d'Ontario.The following MANUFACTURER'S GUARANTEE applies to you if you acquired this SOFTWARE in any other country: Statutory rights not affected - The following guarantee is not restricted to any territory and does not affect any statutory rights that you may have from your reseller or from Manufacturer if you acquired the SOFTWARE directly from Manufacturer. If you acquired the SOFTWARE or any support services in Australia, New Zealand or Malaysia, please see the 'Consumer rights' section below. The guarantee - The SOFTWARE is designed and offered as general-purpose software, not for any user's particular purpose. You accept that no SOFTWARE is error free and you are strongly advised to back-up your files regularly. Provided that you have a valid license, Manufacturer guarantees that (a) for a period of ninety (90) days from the date of receipt of your license to use the SOFTWARE or the shortest period permitted by applicable law it will perform substantially in accordance with the materials that accompany the SOFTWARE; and ( any support services provided by Manufacturer shall be substantially as described in applicable materials provided to you by Manufacturer. In the event that the SOFTWARE fails to comply with this guarantee, Manufacturer will either (a) repair or replace the SOFTWARE or ( return the amount you paid (if any) for the product(s) in accordance with Manufacturer's return policies. This guarantee is void if failure of the SOFTWARE results from accident,abuse or misapplication. Any replacement SOFTWARE will be guaranteed for the remainder of the original guarantee period or thirty (30) days, whichever period is longer. You agree that the above guarantee is your sole guarantee in relation to the SOFTWARE and any support services. Exclusion of All Other Terms - To the maximum extent permitted by applicable law and subject to the guarantee above, Manufacturer and its suppliers (including MS, Microsoft Corporation (including its subsidiaries) and their respective suppliers) disclaim all warranties, conditions and other terms, either express or implied (whether by statute, common law, collaterally or otherwise) including but not limited to implied warranties of satisfactory quality and fitness for particular purpose with respect to the SOFTWARE and the written materials that accompany the SOFTWARE. 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In any case Manufacturer's and any of its suppliers' (including MS', Microsoft Corporation's (including its subsidiaries') and their respective suppliers') entire liability under any provision of this EULA shall be limited to the amount actually paid by you for the SOFTWARE. These limitations do not apply to any liabilities that cannot be excluded or limited by applicable laws. Consumer rights - Consumers in Australia, New Zealand or Malaysia may have the benefit of certain rights and remedies by reason of the Trade Practices Act and similar state and territory laws in Australia, the Consumer Guarantees Act in New Zealand and the Consumer Protection Act in Malaysia in respect of which liability cannot lawfully be modified or excluded. If you acquired the SOFTWARE in New Zealand for the purposes of a business, you confirm that the Consumer Guarantees Act does not apply. If you acquired the SOFTWARE in Australia and if Manufacturer breaches a condition or warranty implied under any law which cannot lawfully be modified or excluded by this agreement then, to the extent permitted by law, Manufacturer's and any of its suppliers' (including MS', Microsoft Corporation's (including its subsidiaries') and their respective suppliers') liability is limited, at Manufacturer's option, to: (i) in the case of the SOFTWARE: (a) repairing or replacing the SOFTWARE; or ( the cost of such repair or replacement; and (ii) in the case of support services, if any: (a) re-supply of the services; or ( the cost of having the services supplied again.

[clhenry]

There is pretty much a END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT on every piece of software...But... Does that make it right??? Legal yes, but is it right?

[Marsden11]

So you want to change the world...Then simply make a better desktop product! All the various Linux flavors have been trying for years to break onto the desktop. The only successful "unix" version to date is from Apple. Their market share has been growing.Something must be wrong when your FREE product can't capture market share. Perhaps if all the various flavors concentrated on a single kick ass version instead of each trying to reinvent the OS... just a thought...MP3 players abounded in the market. Apple comes along with the iPod and it now owns the majority of the market. It has a certain "coolness" that keeps it in the lead.

[greengeek]

Whether it's right, legal or whatever, no amount of argument is going to make people change the version they're using. Some don't mind paying lots of money for a copy for each machine, others prefer the corporate version with the legal key so it can be used on any machine. This subject comes up on just about every computer forum on a regular basis.

[b2cm]

Perhaps if all the various flavors concentrated on a single kick ass version instead of each trying to reinvent the OS...

It is not the OS but the programs people want to use.

[greengeek]

Perhaps the Linux argument should be moved to the Linux forum so the other Linux users can comment on it. Not too many of the regular Linux users would even read the Windows' forum.

[striker]

Better not, because within 5 posts at the max you're getting the usual "what's better,linux or windows". It'll end with a rant about Microsoft, then it reverses to a rant about linux, you know how it goes. Let's say the topic posters questions was answered so let us all go on with our own business. We all know who stands for what now, so take it the way it is.We're not lawyers and no morality preachers.If we can read we can read the eula and we have to decide ourselves how we understand it.Be honest and stick to the eula then you're save.Take a cup of coffee and let's go on : life's too short for argueing. Take your beautiful wife or your girlfriend out for a spin, have fun.