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#1 OFFLINE   JerryM

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 06:22 PM

I have been pleased with my HP 3210 All In One printer. However, I cannot scan as it evidently lacks  a driver, which I cannot find. I guess the years and technology have passed it by, and I need a new printer. I do want wireless, and good color prints as I do greeting cards, etc.

I have no idea what are some good ones that won't break the bank. I think I am partial to HP and Canon. I am lookomg at an HP Envy 5055.
What have you folks found to be good at a reasonable price?

My OS is W 10.

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 08:09 PM

Well you can get nice printers nowadays for fairly cheap. The problem is the cost of ink. It costs almost as much to get ink as it does for a printer. You used to be able to refill your own and other workarounds but they added sensors to detect unofficial ink.

I'll put it this way, I just put a mint condition hp all in one wifi printer on the curb because it's out of ink. I don't print things anyway besides at work. It was wasting space so I threw it out.

Most companies offer a service for ink replacements where you pay a certain amount and get ink whenever you run out.

To answer your question, I prefer HP printers.
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Posted 13 May 2018 - 08:03 AM

I like HP printers as well and right now I'd get an HP Envy 7155 I think. Cheaper if you live in the US and pay in USD.

https://www.amazon.c...Z/ref=dp_cerb_1
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Posted 13 May 2018 - 10:25 AM

View Postraymac46, on 13 May 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

I like HP printers as well and right now I'd get an HP Envy 7155 I think. Cheaper if you live in the US and pay in USD.

https://www.amazon.c...Z/ref=dp_cerb_1

Even with the currency conversion, that is really expensive. In the US, that same printer is $89.99 which is $115.41 CAD. I do not know how they can charge $163 CAD for the same printer.
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Posted 13 May 2018 - 11:34 AM

https://www.wilderss...printer.403687/
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Posted 13 May 2018 - 06:23 PM

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View Postraymac46, on 13 May 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

I like HP printers as well and right now I'd get an HP Envy 7155 I think. Cheaper if you live in the US and pay in USD.

https://www.amazon.c...Z/ref=dp_cerb_1

Even with the currency conversion, that is really expensive. In the US, that same printer is $89.99 which is $115.41 CAD. I do not know how they can charge $163 CAD for the same printer.

Even more expensive at Staples Canada. That's what you get for being Canadian I guess.
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Posted 13 May 2018 - 06:48 PM

View Postraymac46, on 13 May 2018 - 06:23 PM, said:

View Postsecuritybreach, on 13 May 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

View Postraymac46, on 13 May 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

I like HP printers as well and right now I'd get an HP Envy 7155 I think. Cheaper if you live in the US and pay in USD.

https://www.amazon.c...Z/ref=dp_cerb_1

Even with the currency conversion, that is really expensive. In the US, that same printer is $89.99 which is $115.41 CAD. I do not know how they can charge $163 CAD for the same printer.

Even more expensive at Staples Canada. That's what you get for being Canadian I guess.

Eh ;)
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Posted 26 May 2018 - 09:59 PM

Anyone with experience with the HP Envy 7155 printer?
Thanks, Jerry

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Posted 27 May 2018 - 01:24 PM

read reviews
https://www.pcmag.co...-in-one-printer
https://www.amazon.c...iews/B074P4ZS68
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Posted 27 May 2018 - 02:24 PM

Asked and answered here: https://www.wilderss...7/#post-2759263
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Posted 27 May 2018 - 03:55 PM

View PostDigerati, on 27 May 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

Asked and answered here: https://www.wilderss...7/#post-2759263

Hi Bill
You do get around. Thanks for the assessment of HP on Wilders.
I am also considering the Canon Pixma TS 9120 which has 6 ink cartridges. Ink is a problem and 6 seems to be a lot, considering cost.

Thanks, Jerry

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 11:20 AM

Before your edit, you asked,

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Am I not supposed to ask on more than one forum?
The reality is, no. That's called shotgun or cross posting and it is frowned upon for several reasons. Shotgun or cross posting (posting your problem in multiple forums at the same site, or on multiple sites) can result in conflicting information and confusion for you and for those responding. It also ties up volunteer resources so in that respect, is often frowned upon and is considered poor "forum etiquette". It is also considered poor forum etiquette to leave threads hanging. So when (if) a solution to your problem is found, be sure you revisit each site again and submit a follow-up post with your findings.

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It is similar to going to a busy grocery store and sending all your kids to stand in every checkout line, then run over to the clerk open first ahead of everyone who's been waiting their turn patiently. It is not illegal, just plain rude.

6 is a lot but not unusable. My HP has 5: cyan, yellow, magenta, black and photo black.
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Posted 28 May 2018 - 11:24 AM

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 01:10 PM

RE: 6 colors
It depends what you're using it for.
For plain everyday printing, four colors (including black) is fine.
If you will be printing (for example) photos, or works of art, five or six colors will give you more attractive results.
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Off topic -Just an opinion.
I think you guys are being too harsh. When asking for an opinion, or a product recommendation, you're not asking anyone to do a lot of work. Most of us already have opinions about the products we've used. Getting a lot of responses from diverse sources, will help weed out the shills, or the one person who got a "lemon".
It's a lot different than asking for a difficult problem to be solved.

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 01:33 PM

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Off topic -Just an opinion.
I think you guys are being too harsh. When asking for an opinion, or a product recommendation, you're not asking anyone to do a lot of work. Most of us already have opinions about the products we've used. Getting a lot of responses from diverse sources, will help weed out the shills, or the one person who got a "lemon".
It's a lot different than asking for a difficult problem to be solved.
Valid points. And for sure, my comments were not meant to be taken personally. Forum etiquette is just like golfing, skiing, or biking etiquette - they are there to make things go more smoothly for everyone.

The problem is, where do you draw the line? Why is asking for this on multiple sites okay, when asking for that is not okay?

How do we, as helpers, know if the poster is really trying to find the answer, or are they trying to cut the line get help before everyone else? I have worked threads where users were getting conflicting advice. I have also seen where the users reply to a suggestion made no sense to us on this forum because they were responding to some suggestion given on a different forum.

But also is the problem caused by many cross posters who don't go back to all those sites to post the solution. They leave threads hanging. And that is not cool - or good forum etiquette.

I know we all want and often expect, and even deserve immediate solutions to our problems. But it is just best for the majority to go to one site at a time.
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Posted 28 May 2018 - 02:31 PM

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.......The problem is, where do you draw the line? Why is asking for this on multiple sites okay, when asking for that is not okay?.....
That's why administrators and moderators are people, not "bots".... There are reasons for rules. If the reason isn't applicable, a person can exercise judgement.

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Posted 29 May 2018 - 05:20 AM

View PostPete!, on 28 May 2018 - 02:31 PM, said:

That's why administrators and moderators are people, not "bots"....

As a bot, I take offense to that :hysterical:
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Posted 29 May 2018 - 05:23 AM

I usually only post in another location after I have exhausted the resources there. And if I do find a solution, I try to always post it on the forum/community thread where I originally asked. That way it will help others who run into the same the issue.
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Posted 29 May 2018 - 08:37 AM

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That's why administrators and moderators are people, not "bots".... There are reasons for rules. If the reason isn't applicable, a person can exercise judgement.
That's true too. But forums are also, to a large extent, self-regulating - because admins and moderators can't be everywhere at once - especially when it comes to shotgun/cross posting issues. That's why it is called forum "etiquette" instead of "rules" or "terms of service".

I did not make that list of Etiquette tips up. It is not my place on this forum to enforce them. But I do see their purpose, even if they don't perfectly fit every scenario. I also think it is important to point them out since no one automatically knows them - just as every golfer on the course, and every cyclist or skier on the trails should be aware of etiquette tips there too.

From my standpoint in this particular circumstance, I see no reason to retype, or even copy and paste entire replies to the same question here, after taking the time and effort to post it there. So I posted a link.

It should also be noted when it comes to a poster asking about a specific product in multiple forums and/or at multiple sites, that is a very common practice among spammers, and business "plants" - people who get paid to bring attention and as much exposure to various products or services as possible. I am NOT in any way accusing JerryM of this, nor do I believe that is his intent. I am just saying that is yet another reason cross-posting is frowned upon.
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Posted 29 May 2018 - 12:32 PM

I certainly see the logic in buying a multiple (single ink) color printer - especially if you're doing a lot of photographic printing or (say) a company letterhead that uses a lot of cyan. In my case, I don't do either and I find a black and tricolor cartridge printer is OK.
I know a couple of older ladies I helped out who had the 4 cartridge HP models - one inherited it when her husband passed away and the other had it purchased for her by a family member. Both of these ladies disliked the complexity of keeping an inventory of all the color pots and changing them as needed. Probably a simpler printer would have suited them better.

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Posted 29 May 2018 - 12:37 PM

Hi Bill,
Although I will abide by whatever policy the forum states, I disagree with a requirement not to post on more than one forum.
When it comes to security I trust Wilders more. But overall this forum has, in my view, the most expertise on most other matters. Considering this question you posted an answer on
Wilders, and Scots also, While I value your opinion I want other opinions. Surely you would not state that you were the last word on anything. What does it matter if there are conflicting opinions or someone does a little extra work to help another. Isn't that a major reason for these forums? I can sort that out to meet my needs, even though I have little knowledge of these subjects.

Sometimes I have found one forum to take a long time to answer, Wilders sometimes, while this forum is much more prompt.
I don't buy the spammer  argument. When a member  has been so for years it is obvious that he is not trying to spam.

Anyway, until one of the mods tells me not to post on but one forum I will continue to attempt to get needed information on both this forum and Wilders.

Thank for your help through the years, and look forward to more of that help, along with others. :)

Regards, Jerry

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Posted 29 May 2018 - 01:12 PM

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Just be clear, you can participate on as many forums as you like. I personally am a member at over 30 sites. I visit daily 10 or so. I am on the staff at several of those and none of that is a problem.

The issue is about posting the same question on multiple forums/sites at the same time.

It is not a matter of disagreeing or not. It is just a simple fact that established forum etiquette (which applies to the entire Internet) frowns on shotgun/cross posting.

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Surely you would not state that you were the last word on anything.
I already said it is not my place to enforce them. I was just informing you what is considered good forum etiquette, and what is not.

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What does it matter if there are conflicting opinions
:( I already explained that too. First, let me say this - it is NOT personal Jerry. So please don't take it that way.

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I don't buy the spammer  argument. When a member  has been so for years it is obvious that he is not trying to spam.
You have never heard of accounts being hacked? While it is true most of these spamming events happen with brand new members, it is not unheard of where account passwords are guessed and accounts suddenly are taken over by someone else for malicious deeds.

And note I specifically said above,

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I am NOT in any way accusing JerryM of this, nor do I believe that is his intent.
But you seem to be taking it personally, and as though I am accusing you of being a spammer anyway.

I provided a link. There's a Wikipedia entry on it. I have explained the rational. Whether you choose to ignore what is considered proper or not is up to you. Have a good day.
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Posted 29 May 2018 - 01:20 PM

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Both of these ladies disliked the complexity of keeping an inventory of all the color pots and changing them as needed. Probably a simpler printer would have suited them better.
I help several senior citizens with their computing needs and printer consumables is always an issue. Even dealing with the physical strength and dexterity needed to open the cartridge's packaging and protective cover can be an issue.

But I have found most seniors are very concerned with costs too. And when you explain how it costs more in the long run to replace tri-color cartridges compared to single color, they tend to go with that. But I also note many think they need color when they really don't. So going with a simple B&W inkjet or laser is often the best bet.
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Posted 29 May 2018 - 06:41 PM

I make greeting cards, and of course they use a lot of color normally. One reason I have not replaced  my current printer is that I have several cartridges and it takes 5 color plus black. I suppose in time I'll have to just sacrifice some. I know the expired problem. I have at least one expired in my printer now, and it warns me about damage and warranty problems. I ignore it and if the printer quits then I will ditch it.

I guess there is not data available to compare costs of the various numbers of cartridges. Ink is expensive.

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Posted 29 May 2018 - 08:15 PM

View PostJerryM, on 29 May 2018 - 06:41 PM, said:

I guess there is not data available to compare costs of the various numbers of cartridges. Ink is expensive.

Yes, it is. :thumbsdown:
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