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#1 OFFLINE   mhbell

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 11:12 PM

Can't get my resolution set. it stays on 800 x 600 I need 1280 x 720 I am using the non free jessie with the non-free firmware installed and fglrx and no joy debian is a pita, way behind times and a antique. My graphics is a ATI Radion R7 built in the  amd cpu all of the other distro's recognize it with no problem. Whats the solution since many in the forum purport to use debian with newer graphic cards. Sunrat any ideas?
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Posted 15 March 2017 - 09:09 AM

Can you give us a readout from inxi, like this:

ray@ray-basement-SSD ~ $ inxi -Fxz
System:	Host: ray-basement-SSD Kernel: 4.4.0-53-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
		   Desktop: Cinnamon 3.2.7 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.2)
		   Distro: Linux Mint 18.1 Serena
Machine:   System: Gigabyte product: N/A
		   Mobo: Gigabyte model: F2A85XM-D3H
		   Bios: American Megatrends v: F3 date: 04/08/2013
CPU:	   Quad core AMD A8-5600K APU with Radeon HD Graphics (-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
		   flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 28798
		   clock speeds: max: 3600 MHz 1: 1900 MHz 2: 1900 MHz 3: 1400 MHz
		   4: 1900 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Tobago PRO [Radeon R7 360 / R9 360 OEM]
		   bus-ID: 01:00.0
		   Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
		   Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
		   GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD BONAIRE (DRM 2.43.0, LLVM 3.8.0)
		   GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:	 Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller
		   driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2
		   Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Tobago HDMI Audio [Radeon R7 360 / R9 360 OEM]
		   driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
		   Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-53-generic
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
		   driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d000 bus-ID: 02:00.0
		   IF: enp2s0 state: down mac: <filter>
		   Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9287 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)
		   driver: ath9k bus-ID: 04:00.0
		   IF: wlp4s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:	HDD Total Size: 1128.2GB (10.8% used)
		   ID-1: /dev/sda model: TOSHIBA_THNSNH12 size: 128.0GB
		   ID-2: /dev/sdb model: TOSHIBA_DT01ACA1 size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 102G used: 26G (27%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
		   ID-2: swap-1 size: 17.12GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
RAID:	  No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 0.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 26.0
		   Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:	  Processes: 207 Uptime: 15 min Memory: 1307.6/16059.6MB
		   Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
		   Client: Shell (bash 4.3.461) inxi: 2.2.35
ray@ray-basement-SSD ~ $

You may have run into the problem that newer AMD video hardware does not work well with older kernels and versions of Xorg. However the Catalyst (fglrx driver) usually works. Did you try the AMD radeon driver? That is usually better than the non-free one if it works - unless you are doing 3D Gaming.
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Posted 15 March 2017 - 09:14 AM

Here's some info:
https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
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Posted 15 March 2017 - 12:34 PM

View Postraymac46, on 15 March 2017 - 09:09 AM, said:

Can you give us a readout from inxi, like this:



You may have run into the problem that newer AMD video hardware does not work well with older kernels and versions of Xorg. However the Catalyst (fglrx driver) usually works. Did you try the AMD radeon driver? That is usually better than the non-free one if it works - unless you are doing 3D Gaming.

The command was not found using Bash. in Debian I tried the radeon driver fglrx no joy I will download another copy The r7 series radeon has been around for several years now. I think it is probably the kernel in Debian it is to old. Will try again using a fresh downloaded copy of debian.
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Posted 15 March 2017 - 01:46 PM

View Postraymac46, on 15 March 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Here is the inxi info taken in Mint.

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inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: mhbell-System-Product-Name Kernel: 4.4.0-53-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.2.7 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.2)
           Distro: Linux Mint 18.1 Serena
Machine:   Mobo: ASUSTeK model: A88XM-A/USB 3.1 v: Rev X.0x
           Bios: American Megatrends v: 0309 date: 03/04/2016
CPU:       Quad core AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G (-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 24738
           clock speeds: max: 3100 MHz 1: 1900 MHz 2: 1900 MHz 3: 1900 MHz
           4: 1900 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]
           bus-ID: 00:01.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x720@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD KAVERI (DRM 2.43.0, LLVM 3.8.0)
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kaveri HDMI/DP Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:01.1
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-53-generic
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: e000 bus-ID: 04:00.0
           IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 5501.1GB (3.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: Samsung_SSD_850 size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: Samsung_SSD_850 size: 250.1GB
           ID-3: USB /dev/sdc model: Backup+_Hub_BK size: 5001.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 28G used: 6.1G (24%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
           ID-2: /home size: 73G used: 44G (64%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 4.10GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda6
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 2.8C mobo: N/A gpu: 3.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 0
Info:      Processes: 245 Uptime: 12 min Memory: 1148.9/15041.2MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.461) inxi: 2.2.35

Thanks for the info. I have given up on Debian for now. It is just not worth the trouble and until the devs decide to join the real world it will remain a pita to install on all except maybe the oldest hardware. Other distros don't have this problem. I downloaded the latest live non free versions 8.7.1 both cinnamon and lxde. Same problem with both of them graphics all garbled and would not even give a decent picture. I did not bother to try and install them. not worth the time and trouble. THanks for your help.
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Posted 15 March 2017 - 03:48 PM

Looks like your Mint is running the same graphics stack as mine is. Radeon driver. That should work great for you.
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Posted 15 March 2017 - 04:19 PM

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I downloaded the latest Live ISO of Jessie GNOME and I had no problem getting it to boot and display on my AMD desktop. This is with an R7 360 video card.
I made the live USB stick with Linux Mint's USB Image Writer.

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 04:33 PM

user@debian:~$ inxi -Fxz
System: Host: debian Kernel: 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.8.4)
		 Desktop: Gnome 3.14.4 (Gtk 3.14.5-1+deb8u1)
		 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 8
Machine: System: Gigabyte product: N/A
		 Mobo: Gigabyte model: F2A85XM-D3H
		 Bios: American Megatrends v: F3 date: 04/08/2013
CPU:	 Quad core AMD A8-5600K APU with Radeon HD Graphics (-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
		 flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 28797
		 Clock Speeds: 1: 3600 MHz 2: 1400 MHz 3: 1400 MHz 4: 1400 MHz
Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Device 665f bus-ID: 01:00.0
		 Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: fbdev,ati,vesa (unloaded: radeon)
		 Resolution: 1920x1080@0.00hz
		 GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.5, 128 bits)
		 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.3.2 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:	 Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller
		 driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2
		 Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Device aac0
		 driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
		 Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.16.0-4-amd64
Network: Card-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR9287 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)
		 driver: ath9k bus-ID: 04:00.0
		 IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
		 Card-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
		 driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d000 bus-ID: 02:00.0
		 IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives: HDD Total Size: NA (-)
		 ID-1: /dev/sda model: TOSHIBA_THNSNH12 size: 128.0GB temp: 22C
		 ID-2: /dev/sdb model: TOSHIBA_DT01ACA1 size: 1000.2GB temp: 24C
		 ID-3: USB /dev/sdc model: STORE_N_GO size: 16.0GB temp: 0C
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 0.0C mobo: N/A
		 Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:	 Processes: 167 Uptime: 3 min Memory: 659.3/15969.2MB
		 Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.9.2
		 Client: Shell (bash 4.3.301) inxi: 2.1.28
user@debian:~$

Here's the inxi results from within Debian live. I had to sudo apt install inxi to get it to work.

Some interesting stuff. The Debian kernel is using vesa and llvmpipe which means it doesn't recognize the AMD video card. That is a major problem that I ran into with older Debian kernels in Linux Mint.

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 05:09 PM

View Postraymac46, on 15 March 2017 - 04:33 PM, said:



Here's the inxi results from within Debian live. I had to sudo apt install inxi to get it to work.

Some interesting stuff. The Debian kernel is using vesa and llvmpipe which means it doesn't recognize the AMD video card. That is a major problem that I ran into with older Debian kernels in Linux Mint.

Maybe I will try the Gnome version, But my Radeon is 7600 so it is different from yours. I tried the standard version and I think it would have worked, but I did not have the logon and password.
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Posted 15 March 2017 - 06:23 PM

I don't really think it will work very well. The problem is that old kernels and versions of Xorg do not recognize and support any of the CGN cards and your APU has one of those.
You don't need a password with the live version. Sudo will allow you to modify the live system once it is running and it works without an administrative password.
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Posted 15 March 2017 - 07:24 PM

View Postraymac46, on 15 March 2017 - 06:23 PM, said:

I don't really think it will work very well. The problem is that old kernels and versions of Xorg do not recognize and support any of the CGN cards and your APU has one of those.
You don't need a password with the live version. Sudo will allow you to modify the live system once it is running and it works without an administrative password.
Well I downloaded the Latest Gnome version Non-Free and at least it installed, but the Resolution won't budge from 800 x 600 so I am back where I started I would like to install ATI catilus but don't think it will work in gnome DT. as far as a password the Standard non-free Version 462MB requires a login and Password. It use to be User login and Live for password, But debian has to change things around and $%T^& up. Anyway I am through with Debian for now. to much of a PITA.
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 02:00 AM

View Postmhbell, on 14 March 2017 - 11:12 PM, said:

My graphics is a ATI Radion R7 built in the  amd cpu all of the other distro's recognize it with no problem.

My computers aren't new, but not all that old, either. No problems running Debian, though. mhbell, I wondered if you'd want to try Debian Testing instead of Jessie, but maybe not:

View Postmhbell, on 15 March 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

Anyway I am through with Debian for now. to much of a PITA.

Hardware issues. Bleh.

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 07:18 AM

According to Debian docs user is the ID and live is the password.
Folks who have Nvidia cards or Intel integrated graphics aren't going to have these video problems, nor will AMD users with older video cards such as the 6000 series. If you have a more recent AMD card, use a newer distro like Siduction - you basically get Debian and it'll work. Why beat your head against the wall?
Debian testing uses kernel 4.9 so that should also work.

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 11:17 AM

View Postsaturnian, on 16 March 2017 - 02:00 AM, said:

View Postmhbell, on 14 March 2017 - 11:12 PM, said:

My graphics is a ATI Radion R7 built in the  amd cpu all of the other distro's recognize it with no problem.

My computers aren't new, but not all that old, either. No problems running Debian, though. mhbell, I wondered if you'd want to try Debian Testing instead of Jessie, but maybe not:

View Postmhbell, on 15 March 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

Anyway I am through with Debian for now. to much of a PITA.

Hardware issues. Bleh.
I downloaded Siduction lxqt and manjaro Xfce yesterday and installed both of them. Both are working great so far. THe only problem with testing is the stability and problems when they break. I can see why Mint and Ubuntu are at the top of the list although Ubuntu has some problems. Never had a problem with mint it just works out of the box for me on all computers that I have installed it on. I had the same problem with Debian on my old computer that was 11 years old 2006 vintage ATI Radion 4200 I no longer have it The one I just built has problems with Debian Radeon 7600 R7 Yet Siduction and all of the debian / Ubuntu derivatives work with no problem. The problem is Debian and their antique ways. Sorry but that is the facts. If I could use a newer kernel in Debian that would work, but would only cause more problems.
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 06:38 PM

View Postmhbell, on 16 March 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

THe only problem with testing is the stability and problems when they break.

Well, Testing is now frozen. I can't recall having any problems with Testing when I install it after the freeze, which is what I did with Wheezy, Jessie, and now Stretch. But I think my hardware is a lot more Debian-friendly than yours.

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 07:02 PM

View Postsaturnian, on 16 March 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

View Postmhbell, on 16 March 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

THe only problem with testing is the stability and problems when they break.

Well, Testing is now frozen. I can't recall having any problems with Testing when I install it after the freeze, which is what I did with Wheezy, Jessie, and now Stretch. But I think my hardware is a lot more Debian-friendly than yours.
Your probably right although as I said before my harware works with every distro that is derived from Debian / Ubuntu that I have tried. I doubt if Debian testing would work unless they have updated the kernel. My harware is not that new. Keveri AMD CPU 7600 Radion R7 Asus MB a88xm-a with uefi bios and USB 3.0 and 3.1 with 16 GB of Gskill Ripjaws ram 2133. MB has been around since 2013, Radeon R7 a lot longer than that.
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 08:35 PM

As I have mentioned before, AMD/Linux have now fixed the video problems with these old - but not THAT old - GCN based cards and APUs, You can expect any distro released since last October to work very well with the FOSS driver but no longer with the Catalyst driver. So I know it's a bit counter-intuitive to see the "unstable" distros working a lot better than the "stable" older ones but there you go.
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 09:51 PM

View Postraymac46, on 16 March 2017 - 08:35 PM, said:

As I have mentioned before, AMD/Linux have now fixed the video problems with these old - but not THAT old - GCN based cards and APUs, You can expect any distro released since last October to work very well with the FOSS driver but no longer with the Catalyst driver. So I know it's a bit counter-intuitive to see the "unstable" distros working a lot better than the "stable" older ones but there you go.
Yes I know guess they update , but don't update the kernel. Note the date.
[14 Jan 2017] Updated Debian 8: 8.7 released
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 10:15 PM

Yes but that is an update not the first release which came out in April 2015. Kernel is still 3.1X.
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 11:05 PM

View Postraymac46, on 16 March 2017 - 10:15 PM, said:

Yes but that is an update not the first release which came out in April 2015. Kernel is still 3.1X.
I realize that, Just Saying that they update except the kernel.
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:29 AM

View Postmhbell, on 16 March 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

I doubt if Debian testing would work unless they have updated the kernel.

Jessie kernel: 3.16.x
Stretch kernel: 4.9.x

https://packages.deb...&keywords=linux

You don't think Testing would work for you?

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 01:03 PM

View Postsaturnian, on 17 March 2017 - 03:29 AM, said:

View Postmhbell, on 16 March 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

I doubt if Debian testing would work unless they have updated the kernel.

Jessie kernel: 3.16.x
Stretch kernel: 4.9.x

https://packages.deb...&keywords=linux

You don't think Testing would work for you?
I will download stretch and try it out I am in Manjaro right now so it will be a test.
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 06:20 PM

I'll be interested in how this works out. I do not think you can get Debian Testing in a Live version and I don't want to install it on my AMD system. No point in trying it in a virtual machine as that doesn't test the video.
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 06:47 PM

View Postraymac46, on 17 March 2017 - 06:20 PM, said:

I'll be interested in how this works out. I do not think you can get Debian Testing in a Live version and I don't want to install it on my AMD system. No point in trying it in a virtual machine as that doesn't test the video.
Well Raymac it does not work out. Debian still is a pita. Even with a updated Kernel Debian removes all of the non-free stuff from the kernel and stretch does not have the firmware that I can find in a package that I can install from the repo's. I downloaded the recent version of Stretch and it looked promising installed fast and I installed it with 3 desktops LXDE, XFCE, and Cinnamon. Whats the sence of downloading 3.1 GB only to have it not support even though the kernel is 49.1 they have taken everything out that is ATI Everything else works. I have tried to update the repo's to get the nonfree firmware, only to find that Stretch already put the non-free repos's in synaptic nothing to download. Sid works great and includes everything you need. I guess in Sid they don't &^^&& up the kernel like debian and stretch.
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:35 PM

Not sure exactly what you are looking for in terms of non-free. The fglrx (Catalyst) driver won't work in any of the latest distros, but radeon should be fine. Do you need wifi firmware? I wouldn't think so since you are on a Gigabit Ethernet adapter. Codecs maybe?

https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware

https://packages.deb...irmware-nonfree
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