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#1 OFFLINE   mhbell

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 12:12 PM

I downloaded and installed the latest Siduction. Guess I should say 3 of them to try them out. I downloaded Cinnamon, LXGT, and LXDE. I installed all 3 of them to my SSD and checked them out. I liked all 3 of them except the PLANK (dock) at the top and would delete it as I don't care for it. I could not find a way to add the Wigets or Apps that I wanted to install to it. all 3 were very fast. I think part of the problem for me is the fact that I can almost do anything in Mint without having to resort to the cli so much and I am more familiar with the way cinnamon works in mint compared to other distro's. If Siduction simplifies some things, it would be a winner in my book.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 10:33 AM

I got rid of a couple of installations from my VBox on Windows. Dumped deepin because it is sort of strange although it works. Also got rid of MX-16 because I have it installed in a netbook and don't need to test it further.
I tried to install a couple of Siduction variants (LXDE and Xfce) and ran into the same problem with both of them.
With both distros the Guest Additions run fine from the ISO - nice full screen. However after installation I get only a 1280X1024 screen and no way to change screen resolution. The VBox video doesn't seem to work after an install. Don't know why. I'm not going to waste time finding out.
Update: Checked the Siduction forum and there is a bug in the installer that removes the VBox packages during the install. They suggested installing them manually but when I tried this and rebooted I got a freeze-up and could not log in. So they'll have to fix it I suppose.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 11:00 AM

Just for comparison I downloaded and installed in VBox the latest version of Manjaro Xfce. As expected it went into full screen right after installation. Manjaro uses the same basic type of installer (Calamares type) as Siduction but the Guest Additions work well after the installer runs.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:55 PM

These were released only a couple of days ago. I must try them out soon as I couldn't get the last version to install on my new system, and this release has a new installer with better UEFI support.
Release notes - https://news.siducti...ction-2017-1-0/
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Posted 09 March 2017 - 04:20 AM

I gave it a quick spin in Virtualbox too (the Xfce variant). It seems guest additions don't get installed along with the rest of the system, but everything works fine after I installed "virtualbox-guest-x11" and "virtualbox-guest-dkms". This probably has something to do with them switching from the browser-based installer to calamares.
I remember keyboard configuration was missing from the other installer (I had to reconfigure it with dkms after I installed it the last time).

I'm tempted to switch back to siduction, great distro methinks. I've told the Manjaro community I'd do a couple of YouTube videos though, so no switching distros again for me just yet.
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Posted 09 March 2017 - 08:58 AM

I installed virtualbox-guest-dkms, virtualbox-guest-utils and virtualbox-guest-x11 in the LXDE variant but when I rebooted I could not type anything at the login screen and my cursor disappeared.
I'll have to try it with the Xfce desktop version.
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Posted 09 March 2017 - 09:34 AM

Well I have now installed the Xfce version along with the missing VBox files and everything is working great. Posting from it now. Maybe there is a problem with LDXE or maybe I did something wrong.   I was careful to update and upgrade everything before I installed the VBox files so maybe that was the problem.

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 10:07 AM

OK I went back and reinstalled the LXDE version and this time I updated and upgraded the system before installing the missing VBox files. After a reboot everything worked fine with LXDE as well - so it was my fault that it didn't work in the first place. Both LXDE and Xfce have the same look and feel in VBox and both take about 250 MB of RAM. Not a lot to choose between them.
@HJ if you read this thread - you might want to consider Siduction as a base for your respun distro if you haven't already. It's bleeding edge enough for me at least.
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Posted 09 March 2017 - 01:31 PM

Thanks for thinking of me Ray!  I've tinkered with Siduction before, LXQT, and quite liked it.  As a matter of clarification though, I'm not necessarily a fan of "bleeding edge".  Much like the hardware thought process we've discussed, I think the same of software.  I prefer the "trailing edge"...new enough to have updated features, but old enough to have most of the bugs massaged/triaged.  I once had a boss that said "if you want to be a pioneer, that's fine, but remember that pioneers get shot at"  For some reason, that always stuck with me.  Consider me a "settler" who shows up earlier than most, but after the pioneers have staked their claims.

I'm more interested in "rolling release" now, rather than fixed point.  Although I recognize that "bleeding edge" and "stable" are part of that consideration.  Looking for a place on the spectrum that I can be happy with....and easily remaster my customizations to ISO for easy re-installation to other machines, and other peoples machines.

So far so good, with Manjaro and Arch, although they're a little short on the "easily remaster" criteria.  Siduction is on my radar (although maybe too bleeding edge?!).  Antix is also on my radar, which is a nice base, but requires a LOT of removal and new packages to hammer into something I enjoy; but its easily remastered, so that helps offset that.  PCLOS is on my radar, but not sure I can be confident in long-term viability of TexStar's one man show.  And of course Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE), although that isn't near as "up to date" as I'd prefer.  I should probably consider OpenSUSE, but I've never been a fan of RPM based distros; nothing against them, just prefer Debian methods & tools.  I'm seeing the merits of source-based distros also, and compiling from source.  Arch, Manjaro, LFS, Gentoo, and AryaLinux spring to mind.  LFS is beyond my pay grade (for now), but would be fun someday (I think) when I have the time & resources to devote to that project.  Gentoo is for masochists (and Google, which uses Gentoo as a base for ChromeOS, I believe). I've recently discovered AryaLinux, which is based on LFS.  A little too soon to say where that project is heading, or if it will even be a viable long-term project or just a hobby, but it sure is interesting.

I encourage you to look at that in a VM, but there's no torrent, only direct links, and the download takes a LONG time.  Just warning you up front.  If it piques your interest, maybe you'd like to check it out next week, when you have custody of our brain?

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 01:55 PM

View PostDr. J, on 09 March 2017 - 04:20 AM, said:

I gave it a quick spin in Virtualbox too (the Xfce variant). It seems guest additions don't get installed along with the rest of the system, but everything works fine after I installed "virtualbox-guest-x11" and "virtualbox-guest-dkms". This probably has something to do with them switching from the browser-based installer to calamares.
I remember keyboard configuration was missing from the other installer (I had to reconfigure it with dkms after I installed it the last time).

I'm tempted to switch back to siduction, great distro methinks. I've told the Manjaro community I'd do a couple of YouTube videos though, so no switching distros again for me just yet.

Who are you on the Manjaro forum?  I'll look you up over there.  I believe I'm just plain old "Hedon" over there.  And +1 on YouTube vids!  May I suggest you post links here also?  I don't have to use a certain distro in order to learn something new from that distro.  I imagine I'm not the only one who feels that way?!  :hmm:

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 02:09 PM

I have downloaded a lot of Distro's in the past 20 some odd years over 30 in the past 3 weeks. I like Siduction and Distros that work without a lot of compiling. I don't mind the CLI if I know what commands to use. Guess that is why I prefer distro's that use APT. I really don't care for RPM, but I used Suse for many years from Version 5.2 or 3 to 10.1 all commercial ones not free ones. I love the LXDE desktops and really like LXLE, but it has a problem with the installer and won't install grub to the EFI partition. I contacted the Maintainer and he says maybe in the next beta when ever that is. I prefer to use UEFI aware distro's and use GPT partitioning almost exclusively.
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Posted 10 March 2017 - 04:31 AM

View PostHedon James, on 09 March 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

View PostDr. J, on 09 March 2017 - 04:20 AM, said:

I gave it a quick spin in Virtualbox too (the Xfce variant). It seems guest additions don't get installed along with the rest of the system, but everything works fine after I installed "virtualbox-guest-x11" and "virtualbox-guest-dkms". This probably has something to do with them switching from the browser-based installer to calamares.
I remember keyboard configuration was missing from the other installer (I had to reconfigure it with dkms after I installed it the last time).

I'm tempted to switch back to siduction, great distro methinks. I've told the Manjaro community I'd do a couple of YouTube videos though, so no switching distros again for me just yet.

Who are you on the Manjaro forum?  I'll look you up over there.  I believe I'm just plain old "Hedon" over there.  And +1 on YouTube vids!  May I suggest you post links here also?  I don't have to use a certain distro in order to learn something new from that distro.  I imagine I'm not the only one who feels that way?!  :hmm:

Indeed. I go by the name "SaltyDog" over on the Manjaro forum.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 10:26 PM

Woohoo, installed siduction KDE yesterday and it's great to be back. Much as I really liked MX-16, there are a few features in Plasma 5 that I really missed. It handles scaling on 4K monitor a lot better too. I would jump back to MX in a heartbeat though, if they release a Plasma 5 version. It's a little frustrating having to search through the predominantly German forum for previous issues, bugs, and some update warnings (which are supposed to be dual language but sometimes posters forget). They are happy and helpful whenever you make a post in English though.
Had some minor issues but smooth sailing now. The previous version failed me in writing a bootable USB stick which is why I went to MX in the first place. No such issue with this version although I had to edit the boot parameters to add "nomodeset" to bring up graphical display for live boot, and installed Nvidia driver from the repo after installation for support for my GTX970 and 4K monitor.
Wireless was a bit painful which surprised me as the TP-Link WN822N (Atheros chip) has always been virtually plug n' play. Ended up disabling Network Mangler and writing a simple /etc/network/interfaces file and it connected seamlessly. I've had heaps of trouble with NM in the past so good riddance.
Also needed to write an ALSA config file, /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf, to put my M-Audio Audiophile 2496 sound card as default.Every Linux distro seems to put the graphics card HDMI audio as default even when there is a PCI card. Grrr.
Then I copied over Firefox and Thunderbird profiles and tweaked some theme items, including making the panel vertical so it looks almost identical to MX default. ;)
It's working very smoothly so far but obviously I will tweak a bit more and add some more favourite programs.

siduction, hope you didn't miss me too much but I'm back now! :D
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:28 AM

I had a lot of trouble with Network Manager in LM18 but once I got rid of a non-essential network extender things have been OK. This is also with an Atheros wifi adapter that previously had been trouble free.
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:21 AM

View Postraymac46, on 19 March 2017 - 08:28 AM, said:

I had a lot of trouble with Network Manager in LM18 but once I got rid of a non-essential network extender things have been OK. This is also with an Atheros wifi adapter that previously had been trouble free.
https://wikidevi.com...LINK_TL-WN881ND
was that LM18 or was it LM18.1
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 10:05 AM

It was 18.1 but I had similar problems in 17.3
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