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#26 OFFLINE   JerryM

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 12:02 AM

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I guess there is not data available to compare costs of the various numbers of cartridges. Ink is expensive.

Yes, it is. :thumbsdown:

Where?

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 07:08 AM

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I guess there is not data available to compare costs of the various numbers of cartridges. Ink is expensive.

Yes, it is. :thumbsdown:

Where?

Anywhere you shop. Buying ink costs almost as much as a new printer does. And you cannot refill them anymore due to sensors they put on the printers that detect non-standard ink. Heck, HP even treats it like a service now. You pay $9.99 a month to get ink whenever you need it.
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Posted 30 May 2018 - 07:28 AM

ConsumerReports factors in the cost of consumables, including cost per page to print, in their reviews.

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:24 AM

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You pay $9.99 a month to get ink whenever you need it.
You are not forced to sign up for Instant Ink. My husband doesn't print enough to justify this so I made sure I declined that when I bought him a new printer in August of 2017.

In fact, I just replaced his black cartridge yesterday and the expiration date was April 2018. I thought perhaps the printer would refuse to use it. So he used 1 cartridge for 10 months. Paying $119.88 a year for 1 cartridge would be ridiculous! Of course HP would try to convince you the cartridge needed replacing when it didn't. My old printer does that with a flashing light. I ignore the flashing light and keep on printing. I can tell when I need a new cartridge by what comes out of the printer not any flashing light.
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Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:27 AM

Oh, it will let you use expired ink but it will complain about it
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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:16 AM

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In fact, I just replaced his black cartridge yesterday and the expiration date was April 2018. I thought perhaps the printer would refuse to use it.
Years ago, there were some printers that did stop printing when a cartridge expired. But various consumer protection agencies around the world got after the printer makers so they updated their firmware to, as CLI Phreak noted, just yell at you about it.

I note some 3rd party inks don't properly report their status to the printer and this can cause expired or even out-of-ink errors. However, most printers let you disable these warnings somewhere in their menu system.

Again, there is sound reason for this - old ink, even when still sealed in original packaging, will age and can thicken, then clog up the jets and print heads. So even if there is a sale that is too good to pass up, don't buy more than you can use within a reasonable amount of time.

Note too, like many liquid based things, once the cartridge is opened, the aging process accelerates. This is typically not a problem is you print often, but if like me, it could be two weeks or more between actual print jobs. That's not good. So I try to remember to print something - usually an ink status report - once a week just to keep the jets clear and heads moist.
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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:26 AM

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You pay $9.99 a month to get ink whenever you need it.
You are not forced to sign up for Instant Ink. My husband doesn't print enough to justify this so I made sure I declined that when I bought him a new printer in August of 2017.

In fact, I just replaced his black cartridge yesterday and the expiration date was April 2018. I thought perhaps the printer would refuse to use it. So he used 1 cartridge for 10 months. Paying $119.88 a year for 1 cartridge would be ridiculous! Of course HP would try to convince you the cartridge needed replacing when it didn't. My old printer does that with a flashing light. I ignore the flashing light and keep on printing. I can tell when I need a new cartridge by what comes out of the printer not any flashing light.

What is the new printer?
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Posted 31 May 2018 - 09:38 AM

A few other things I look for in a printer when it's time to shop for one. These may not all apply to you.
  • Linux friendly. I have a bunch of Linux machines and I find in general that HP is going to work well with them.
  • Wireless capable. I want to have it on the network with its own IP that I can set manually.
  • Decent scanning capability. I don't have room for a separate scanner so I'll want an all-in-one.
  • Able to print the odd photo on photo paper. My mother-in-law is 88 and old-school.
  • Compact footprint and low profile. My desk has a raised shelf and the printer has to sit there.
If I can get a printer that satisfies the above and has individual ink pots I'll give it serious consideration next time. My Envy 5530 is still working OK but you never know.
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Posted 31 May 2018 - 10:38 AM

Thanks raymac46.
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Posted 31 May 2018 - 11:01 AM

The printer is a Deskjet 2655.
Two warnings: it is good I bought a smart phone in March 2017 because the printer had to be set up using it.
No drivers came with it so I had to go online and download a driver.

These are the directions I found online when I researched the model
What you do is download the HP Smart AiO Remote app. When you first boot the app, it will request that you turn on WiFi (if it isn't already on) and begin searching for the printer. It uses WiFi direct and will be broadcasting its own signal. Your phone will scan the airwaves one by one until it finds the printer. This takes anywhere from 30 seconds to 2 minutes. Once it finds your printer, you'll be asked to select your actual wireless network from a list and enter your password. This data is transmitted to the printer and it logs into your network. From this point on, all your computers running Windows 7 and up or OSX Mountain Lion and up will see the printer in their devices list automatically.
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Posted 31 May 2018 - 12:47 PM

Thanks a lot. It sounds as if it might be too complicated for me. I appreciate the help.
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Posted 01 June 2018 - 10:43 AM

https://support.hp.c...ument/c05367434

It looks as if the Deskjet 2655 can be set up without the smartphone app. I haven't set one up in a while but I always found that you could do it from the printer touchscreen. You still need the driver though.
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Posted 01 June 2018 - 11:47 AM

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It looks as if the Deskjet 2655 can be set up without the smartphone app
I have never heard of a printer marketed as compatible with Windows that required a smartphone to setup so, I thought that odd when first mentioned. I think they put so much emphasis on the fact it can be setup for wireless printing from a smartphone, that they (their marketing people) overlooked the fact it is perfectly cable of being used from a Windows PC too. I mean after all, it is not exactly a portable printer! ;)
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Posted 02 June 2018 - 11:26 AM

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you could do it from the printer touchscreen.
This model printer lacks a touchscreen.
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Posted 02 June 2018 - 11:45 AM

No touchscreen but it looks like it has a menu system and LCD information display panel on top.
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Posted 03 June 2018 - 11:54 AM

The panel simply shows you the status of the carts and the signal strength of the wifi. It shows you how many computers are printed and if there is paper in the try. It is not a menu system.
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Posted 03 June 2018 - 12:09 PM

I was thinking of the various buttons on top. One is an "i" so I was thinking that would print out a status page, perhaps with the information needed.
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Posted 04 June 2018 - 10:24 AM

The "i" turns wireless on and off. If you wanted to use it attached to a computer and not wireless, you'd keep wireless off.

My husband tried to print something and nothing came out (the printer is not attached to any computer). I showed him how he has to be sure the wireless is turned on. (There is a light which is easier to see than looking at the status screen).  I tapped the button to turn it on and in a few moments, his print job came out. We tend to keep that printer off. He doesn't use his basement desktop computer so the printer which is also in the basement only gets turned on to scan something, copy something or he wants to print something on his computer.
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Posted 04 June 2018 - 10:58 AM

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The "i" turns wireless on and off.
No. Look just above the "i" button and you will see the antenna button to enable/disable wifi.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:35 AM

Since the antenna looks like an i with a dot on the top, I figured that's what you meant.

The "i" (aka information) button wastes more ink. When tapped it prints out a page of information. It tells you what the buttons do as well as printing out the serial number, firmware version and telling you that automatic firmware update is on.
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:25 AM

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The "i" (aka information) button wastes more ink.
That's true. But if you don't print often, the jets and print heads can gum up. If you don't print often (like me) printing a status page once a week gives you a status report, and keeps the jets and heads working.

On my HP, the one page report tells me, among other things how much ink I have left, when I installed each cartridge, type of network connection (Ethernet or wifi) and the assigned IP address.
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Posted 06 June 2018 - 11:10 AM

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But if you don't print often, the jets and print heads can gum up.
So far that's never happened. We have a very old HP 722 that my husband prints labels on from time to time. It used to be about twice a year. It works fine.

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the one page report tells me, among other things how much ink I have left, when I installed each cartridge, type of network connection (Ethernet or wifi) and the assigned IP address.
None of that was on the report.
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