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Posted 01 February 2018 - 07:19 PM

I am not talking about yours Raymac, look at Abarbarian's photo: http://forums.scotsn...16

The system did not find it the card.
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Posted 01 February 2018 - 07:53 PM

Yes nothing there.
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Posted 01 February 2018 - 08:13 PM

It looks like it needs the iwlegacy to get the 4965 working https://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy
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Posted 02 February 2018 - 09:52 AM

Well in theory the Toughbooks will support N wifi so hopefully abarbarian will get it sorted. The alternative is to get a USB wifi dongle which will work for sure until he does.
Sometimes a BIOS update can help out.
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Posted 02 February 2018 - 01:29 PM

View Postraymac46, on 02 February 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

Well in theory the Toughbooks will support N wifi so hopefully abarbarian will get it sorted. The alternative is to get a USB wifi dongle which will work for sure until he does.
Sometimes a BIOS update can help out.

Was wifi N around in 2009? If not, then the bios wouldn't support an onboard one. The usb dongle would be the best bet.
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Posted 02 February 2018 - 01:31 PM

I was mistaken, 802.11N came out in 2009 so perhaps its the debian package that I mentioned above.
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Posted 02 February 2018 - 02:13 PM

Specs from 2007. Note the wifi card. It should work.

https://www.cnet.com...ok-cf-52/specs/
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 07:24 PM

Well I had a play with the card I bought.

http://www.ebay.co.u...9sAAMXQAx9RL3~0

It has three ariel contacts but my 52 only has two ariel wires. It should still work ok but as far as I can tell from my research I will get limited or zero functionality on the 5.0GHz spectrum. If I add another ariel this functionality should be restored.

I could not get the card to function. Apparently there is a hack regarding pin 20 which I tried but still no joy. I may have borked the card as I cut the trace for pin 20 as I did not have any nail lacquer.

Also I may not have installed or loaded the required modules properly. I have just had another look at the modules and here is what I found.

root@mx1:/home/demo# apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree	
Reading state information... Done
firmware-iwlwifi is already the newest version (20170823-1mx17+1).
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
root@mx1:/home/demo# modinfo iwl4965
filename:	 /lib/modules/4.14.0-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/intel/iwlegacy/iwl4965.ko
firmware:	 iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode
alias:		 iwl4965
license:	 GPL
author:		 Copyright(c) 2003-2011 Intel Corporation <ilw@linux.intel.com>
version:	 in-tree:
description: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi 4965 driver for Linux
srcversion:	 3E9A613CB0A594AF2D58360
alias:		 pci:v00008086d00004230sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:		 pci:v00008086d00004229sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
depends:	 iwlegacy,mac80211,cfg80211
intree:		 Y
name:		 iwl4965
vermagic:	 4.14.0-3-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions
parm:		 swcrypto:using crypto in software (default 0 [hardware]) (int)
parm:		 queues_num:number of hw queues. (int)
parm:		 11n_disable:disable 11n functionality (int)
parm:		 amsdu_size_8K:enable 8K amsdu size (default 0 [disabled]) (int)
parm:		 fw_restart:restart firmware in case of error (int)

root@mx1:/home/demo# lsmod
Module				 Size Used by
iwl4965			 114688 0
iwl3945			 77824 0
iwlegacy			 81920 2 iwl4965,iwl3945
mac80211			 798720 3 iwl4965,iwlegacy,iwl3945
cfg80211			 716800 4 mac80211,iwl4965,iwlegacy,iwl3945

root@mx1:/home/demo# modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi
root@mx1:/home/demo# lsmod
Module				 Size Used by
iwlwifi			 212992 0
iwl4965			 114688 0
iwl3945			 77824 0
iwlegacy			 81920 2 iwl4965,iwl3945
mac80211			 798720 3 iwl4965,iwlegacy,iwl3945
cfg80211			 716800 5 iwlwifi,mac80211,iwl4965,iwlegacy,iwl3945

I am writing this from my Skylake  but will have another play with modules on the 52 tomorrow.

As to updating the bios to sort put the wi-fi, I can not find any bios updates for my Mk1 on the Panosonic site. All the bios updates seem to relate to Mk3's and upwards. One of those may work but I am a bit wary  of borking the pc with a wrong bios.
I did read through a whole load of posts relating to 52's wi-fi updates on the NoteBook Review forums,

http://forum.noteboo...1n-easy.434560/

but could find no conclusive information that I could use.


In the meanwhile to have wi-fi I bought this for £1.59 and it works straight out of the box on the 52 running MX-17 from a stick.

https://www.ebay.co....72.m2749.l2649

I spent some time hunting some ram and finally bought these 4 x 2 GB's  for £12.99 which was by far the cheapest on E-Bay. I have tried one stick in another machine and it works. So I will install two sticks on the 52 tomorrow, 4 GB should be plenty for the way I will use the 52.

https://www.ebay.co....72.m2749.l2649

Oh and I took the 52 out with me yesterday and today and have watched five episodes of Captain Harlock whilst waiting for my passengers.



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 07:39 PM

Looks like the modules are there and loaded.
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 08:05 PM

View Postraymac46, on 07 February 2018 - 07:39 PM, said:

Looks like the modules are there and loaded.

Yeah that is what I thought too. I will have another play tomorrow and if I have no luck I'll buy another card and try again. I would rather have on board wi-fi than a usb type. :breakfast:
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 09:02 PM

Maybe see if you can get an A/B/G card or one with only two antenna wires.
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:16 AM

Still hacking away at the wi-fi on the 52. I ordered another dirt cheap card with different firmware and will report back.

In the meanwhile. The reason I have become interested in Toughbooks is down to my sister. She does a lot of fancy cooking and needs to have a copy of the recipe to hand. She was concerned at how much paper she was  wasting and the cost and how paper sheets do not get along well with sticky hands and surfaces.
I suggested she use her Kobo Arc tablet but she said she had tried it but the text was too small and making the text bigger and scrolling with sticky hands was not do-able. Also she was concerned with knocking/dropping the Kobo in a kitchen.
I remembered the small CF-19 Toughbook with the swivel screen and rugged use anywhere construction and told my sister about them. After taking a look at one on-line she asked me if I could find her a reasonably priced CF-19. It was whilst looking for one that I bought the 52.
Back to the CF-19 story.......... I did indeed find one. One that was sold as faulty with missing parts. Looking at the sale pictures I noticed that there did not seem to be a bios password set. That is an important fact as Toughbooks  with set bios passwords are only useful for parts or as door stops. Reading around it seems that hacking a Toughbook bios password is not possible for mere mortals.
I made my bid and won the auction and paid the handsome sum of £42 inc postage. Now this delightful beast was missing a hdd caddy, a hdd, a ram cover, a charger and a key "AltGr". You may wonder why I bought the poor old thing ?
The beast arrived a few days later.
After unwrapping and plugging in I thought the charger I had bought for the 52 would work on the 19 and it did, so that was one good point. Ah ha I could change the boot order in the bios and save the changes, my instincts were right, another good point. Plugging in a usb a Live MX-17 fired up and ran pretty neatly, another good point. The onboard wireless worked straight away, another good point.  However FireFox which did open smartly, locked up the poor old beast to such an extent that hitting the power button was the only option, not such a good point. This point did not bother me as I had an idea that the 2 GB ram I had on order for the 52, whilst being faster ram should work ok in the 19.
Anyways here is a shot of the 19 beast before any work had been done to it. I am well chuffed that the beast appears to be almost fully functional despite the missing parts.

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That is a shot from a few days ago and the wi-fi is showing down. I am actually posting from the 19 now. Posting is slow as I have yet to fully master the strange keyboard.

The tale will continue.

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:26 AM

Neat but I am surprised that the harddrive is only 8gb. Why did you not get a more up to date laptop as this is neat but honestly, you will not be able to do very much with it? I mean you could have gotten a ThinkPad with an i5, 4gb of ram and an 80gb ssd for $120: https://www.ebay.com...op/253375622599

Even a $59 Chromebook would have had more power than that one: https://www.ebay.com...12/263488244287

I know it's kind of late to suggest a different one but I didn't realize what your total price was (including the high shipping price).
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 11:14 AM

I imagine the HDD is actually a USB thumbdrive as the regular HDD is missing. The cheapest SSD you can get will make a big difference.
If the wifi card is working your "old" card should have worked in the CF-52. Same model card?

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:53 AM

View Postsecuritybreach, on 10 February 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

Neat but I am surprised that the harddrive is only 8gb. Why did you not get a more up to date laptop as this is neat but honestly, you will not be able to do very much with it? I mean you could have gotten a ThinkPad with an i5, 4gb of ram and an 80gb ssd for $120: https://www.ebay.com...op/253375622599

Even a $59 Chromebook would have had more power than that one: https://www.ebay.com...12/263488244287

I know it's kind of late to suggest a different one but I didn't realize what your total price was (including the high shipping price).

$120 is way over budget for a device that will be used in a kitchen for reading recipes. Also second hand prices over here are more expensive than where you are. I get your point that I could probably buy a more powerful laptop for the same loot but it would not have the features I am looking for. A more powerful laptop would be overkill for the intended use of either of the Toughbooks.
An an ordinary laptop just don't have the same street cred as a Toughbook.  :happyroll:

View Postraymac46, on 10 February 2018 - 11:14 AM, said:

I imagine the HDD is actually a USB thumbdrive as the regular HDD is missing. The cheapest SSD you can get will make a big difference.
If the wifi card is working your "old" card should have worked in the CF-52. Same model card?

Yup you are right the CF-19 was running from a live MX-17 on a 8 GB usb stick. There was no hdd or caddy so no os. I do have a spare 60 GB cheapo ssd that will eventually be fitted to it.
On the 52 I have MX-17 on a stick but I have Vista Pro installed on the ssd which I am leaving on until I get the wi-fi sorted in a permanent fashion.

I finally have wi-fi on the 52. :bounce:

I bought a dirt cheap card,

https://www.ebay.co....872.m2749.l2649

once fitted into the 52 it did show up.

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However I could not get the card to work. I am connected here and now on the 52 with the very cheap usb dongle but I had to do a heap of reading and fiddling. In the end I had to blacklist the iwl3945 module belonging to the card for the dongle to work.

At least I have learnt a great deal and I must say it has been fun. I am finding typing on the laptop rather odd, what with the FN key and all the different ways you use the keyboard. At the moment I am typing with the FN key pressed down all the time with my left hand and type with one finger on the right hand. Otherwise I end up w5th a33 s6rts 6f strange st4ff and spend all my time deleting and re-typing.

The sun is shining although it is cold an a freind has called around to see if I am up for a short ride out on the Enfield. So see you later with another CF tale. :whistling:
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:15 AM

Odd the internal wifi is seen, modules loaded yet no wifi. At least the USB will work. I know Vista sucks, but if you boot it does the machine see your wifi card in Windows? If not maybe the BIOS is set to disable internal wifi or there is something funny with the wifi switch. I assume you have figured out how to turn it on.
I don't think another distro will be better since MX-17 excels in compatibility with wifi.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 05:47 PM

@abarbarian try with only the internal wifi:
#rfkill list

If it shows either hard or soft blocked, run:
# rfkill unblock all

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:39 PM

View Postraymac46, on 11 February 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

Odd the internal wifi is seen, modules loaded yet no wifi. At least the USB will work. I know Vista sucks, but if you boot it does the machine see your wifi card in Windows? If not maybe the BIOS is set to disable internal wifi or there is something funny with the wifi switch. I assume you have figured out how to turn it on.
I don't think another distro will be better since MX-17 excels in compatibility with wifi.

Vista did not see my first card, before I did the cut trace mod , or after. Vista did see the second card I tried but told me that a hardware switch needed to be switched on, drivers were installed and device manager told me that the card was ready for use.
MX-17 is fab.

View Postsunrat, on 11 February 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

@abarbarian try with only the internal wifi:
#rfkill list

If it shows either hard or soft blocked, run:
# rfkill unblock all

I had no luck whatsoever with my first card, possibly it was a dud, or I had already made the trace cut hack before I was fully up to speed on fiddling with the command line.

The second card was found in MX and Vista, see above for Vista info.
In MX-17 I did try with only the internal card and followed advice from the Arch Wiki,

https://wiki.archlin..._configuration

and several other sources. I tried quite a few different commands and ways to access the card and to try and get it up and running. I did try the "rfkill" commands but they did not enable wi-fi even though they showed no blocks on software or hardware.
I did try both the card and the usb dongle at the same time but they did not work even though the modules needed for both were installed. Once I did a "modprobe -r" I managed to have the usb dongle working.
So it seems that even though MX-17 is telling me that the card should work it does not. I found a lot of posts regarding wi-fi on the 52 and it seems that there is a hack to do with pin 20 that works for some folk. Details here, the post is for a CF-30 but a lot of the 52 posts point to it as a solution.

http://forum.noteboo...reless.595917/

Seeing as the card cost me less than £2 I am going to ask my neighbors wife for some nail polish and try the hack. If it works , great, if not I'll buy another cheapy card and keep trying.

Oh and I went for the ride. Nice and sunny with dry tarmac apart from one five minute spell where a shower of hailstones turned the road white, then the sun came back out again. It was as they say quite parky, that is blooming cold in normal speak.

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