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#1 OFFLINE   raymac46

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 10:44 AM

As I consider replacing a power supply to keep my 5 year old Sandy Bridge desktop going, I was struck by some of the "bleeding edge" hardware announcements that just came out at Computex 2017 in Taiwan. Some of this is still vaporware but it looks like Intel will have a top end CPU with 18 cores and 36 threads and AMD one with 16 cores and 32 threads. New mobos and a new socket are needed in Intel's case - not so sure about AMD. Other features for Intel include massive PCIe and USB 3.1 capability, multiple NVME drive arrays, quad channel DDR4 ..blah blah blah.
All this gives me a headache. As a Linux user I am happy to cruise along years behind the times. I just don't see how I would need 16+ cores of power any time soon - and this doesn't even include the processing power of the latest GPUs. Will Linux even support this stuff in the foreseeable future?. Even a hardcore gamer would be hard pressed to use more than 4 cores on the CPU.
I kinda wonder what's going on and whether I should care about this stuff at all for another 5-6 years.

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 10:51 AM

One word, virtualization. My server has 16 cores and I use a lot of them with VMs.
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Posted 07 June 2017 - 11:03 AM

Or if you are into video rendering I suppose. Intel borrowed a lot of the design of its i9 processors from the Xeon workstation CPUs.
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Posted 07 June 2017 - 11:08 AM

Yeah, my server has 2x Xeons E5620s, hence the amount of cores..
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Posted 07 June 2017 - 11:10 AM

I have six cores and probably only use one. The other five are just hanging about snoozing, reading an ebook, or grabbing a Byte to eat.

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 11:51 AM

View PostV.T. Eric Layton, on 07 June 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

I have six cores and probably only use one. The other five are just hanging about snoozing, reading an ebook, or grabbing a Byte to eat.

Darn it I only have four cores. Looking at htop they all seem to spend mosyt of their time sleeping. :breakfast:
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Posted 07 June 2017 - 07:12 PM

There is no doubt that CPUs have come a long way since 1999. And a decent quad core CPU will kick butt compared to an underpowered pig like the Atoms they put in all those netbooks back around 2009.
That said, the whole CPU development thing lately has been more about reducing power consumption and extending battery life than it has about raw performance.
I have two desktops. Both of  them I'd describe as powerful, responsive snappy. Desktop 1 has a Sandy Bridge quad core which is 5 generations behind the times. Desktop 2 has a second generation AMD Bulldozer APU which was crippled from the get-go by bad design decisions. Yet I'm happy with them both.
The reason for this is that there are many other factors today which influence perceived computer power and responsiveness, namely:
  • An SSD . The difference in performance made by an SSD is night and day. Nothing I've ever seen comes close.
  • Fast Internet. Better downloads, faster web browsing.
  • Lotsa RAM. You want to load it and leave it in RAM, not swap it to the hard drive. Even if you have an SSD it's better to keep data in RAM.
  • Decent graphics. It doesn't have to be state of the art But I see a definite improvement with a discrete video card.
  • A lighter O/S. Linux is better than Windows with its CPU sucking security apps. And a lighter desktop environment is clearly snappier no matter how much computing horsepower you have.
In short, while I find it interesting to read about all the Intel Kaby Lake and AMD Ryzen CPUs I hope my old school quad cores keep on truckin' for a few years yet.
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Posted 08 June 2017 - 11:26 AM

I'm hoping that they will bury me with my working Skylake cpu sometime in the distant future. :breakfast:
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Posted 09 June 2017 - 04:37 AM

Raymac46's comment

"An SSD . The difference in performance made by an SSD is night and day. Nothing I've ever seen comes close."

is spot on. When I built my new rig I donated my old one to my sister but before I gave it to her I popped in a cheapo ssd. The difference that made was to put it mildly amazing. A £30 hardware spend that turned a 2008 era pc into a reasonable 2015 performer. Whilst it may be a tad sluggish with bigger programs for everyday stuff like web surfing, viewing photos and officey tasks it performs pretty neatly.

I have also installed a cheapo ssd in an even older Dell which I have been using as my main rigg for 18 months and that has given decent performance too for ordinary daily tasks.

If I could have used a ssd and a newer graphics card I would have used them with my very old Athlon Thunderbird as I was sentimentaly attached to my first pc. Alas the graphics were not upgradeable and I never tried to upgrade to a ssd as the old girl did not have sata connections and without the more modern graphics I felt my time would be better spent on some other project.

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 05:40 AM

If you think that's an improvement, try a more high end SSD like one of the Samsung EVO series. With those, you get the same write and read speeds.
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Posted 09 June 2017 - 06:07 AM

View Postsecuritybreach, on 09 June 2017 - 05:40 AM, said:

If you think that's an improvement, try a more high end SSD like one of the Samsung EVO series. With those, you get the same write ​and read speeds.

Why would I bother with old tech ? I have a SP951NVME running in a PCI-E slot to gain maximum performance :harhar:
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Posted 09 June 2017 - 06:09 AM

View Postabarbarian, on 09 June 2017 - 06:07 AM, said:

View Postsecuritybreach, on 09 June 2017 - 05:40 AM, said:

If you think that's an improvement, try a more high end SSD like one of the Samsung EVO series. With those, you get the same write ​and read speeds.

Why would I bother with old tech ? I have a SP951NVME running in a PCI-E slot to gain maximum performance :harhar:

Trust me, that 550 mb/s up and down is nice..
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Posted 09 June 2017 - 06:31 AM

View Postsecuritybreach, on 09 June 2017 - 06:09 AM, said:

View Postabarbarian, on 09 June 2017 - 06:07 AM, said:

View Postsecuritybreach, on 09 June 2017 - 05:40 AM, said:

If you think that's an improvement, try a more high end SSD like one of the Samsung EVO series. With those, you get the same write ​and read speeds.

Why would I bother with old tech ? I have a SP951NVME running in a PCI-E slot to gain maximum performance :harhar:

Trust me, that 550 mb/s up and down is nice..

Nice but slow.

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I have the 256 GB version.  :tease:
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Posted 09 June 2017 - 07:59 AM

It's a matter of horses for courses, surely.
If you have the latest tech that supports NVME I'd certainly go that way. If you have something like my 2010 era Toshiba netbook, the cheapest SSD will do and still make a considerable difference. It'll turn something unusable into a decent travel companion.
I wouldn't bother with anything older than SATA II though. If you have first gen SATA chances are the rest of your hardware will be bottlenecked somehow.
As for IDE / PATA well... :shrug3:

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 08:03 AM

View Postabarbarian, on 09 June 2017 - 06:31 AM, said:

View Postsecuritybreach, on 09 June 2017 - 06:09 AM, said:

View Postabarbarian, on 09 June 2017 - 06:07 AM, said:

View Postsecuritybreach, on 09 June 2017 - 05:40 AM, said:

If you think that's an improvement, try a more high end SSD like one of the Samsung EVO series. With those, you get the same write ​and read speeds.

Why would I bother with old tech ? I have a SP951NVME running in a PCI-E slot to gain maximum performance :harhar:

Trust me, that 550 mb/s up and down is nice..

Nice but slow.

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I have the 256 GB version.  :tease:

Well I could be wrong on the speeds but I have an older EVO 840. I really should buy one of the new 850s..
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Posted 09 June 2017 - 08:09 AM

View Postabarbarian, on 09 June 2017 - 06:31 AM, said:

I have the 256 GB version.  :tease:

I just ordered the Evo 850 256gb B)

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I figure that I will put the 128gb 840 in my main laptop. I will be cloning the installations with Clonezilla so I can transfer them without having to reinstall.
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Posted 09 June 2017 - 09:35 PM

One of these days, I'm going to have me one (or four) of those spiffy new-fangled solid state drives. :yes:

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 07:26 AM

Yes by now the SSD has gone mainstream for sure. Samsung is the brand that seems to get the most acclaim, but Toshiba makes some nice ones too. Toshiba recently got into the consumer biz in a big way by acquiring OCZ. SanDisk was bought by Western Digital. Interestingly Seagate seems to be concentrating more on NVME and server technology when it comes to soiid state.
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Posted 10 June 2017 - 07:46 AM

View Postraymac46, on 10 June 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

Yes by now the SSD has gone mainstream for sure. Samsung is the brand that seems to get the most acclaim, but Toshiba makes some nice ones too. Toshiba recently got into the consumer biz in a big way by acquiring OCZ. SanDisk was bought by Western Digital. Interestingly Seagate seems to be concentrating more on NVME and server technology when it comes to soiid state.

Nice, I didn't hear about  (or at least do not remember if I did ;)).
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Posted 10 June 2017 - 07:56 AM

View Postabarbarian, on 09 June 2017 - 06:31 AM, said:

Nice but slow.

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I have the 256 GB version.  :tease:

That is for the M2 Sata drives. I know they are starting to make pci-e adapters but I do not feel like giving up that rail so I just got the 2.5-Inch SATA III version.

My memory served me correct, this one does 550 read and 540 write. It's only the m2 sata versions that are much faster.
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Posted 10 June 2017 - 08:01 AM

Actually my motherboard does have a m2 sata port but "using M.2 will also render SATA ports 5 and 6 unavailable.". I knew there was a reason I didn't use it on this board.
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Posted 10 June 2017 - 09:52 AM

View Postsecuritybreach, on 10 June 2017 - 08:01 AM, said:

Actually my motherboard does have a m2 sata port but "using M.2 will also render SATA ports 5 and 6 unavailable.". I knew there was a reason I didn't use it on this board.

I might have gone over the top slightly with my build but for once I wanted a pc that was leading edge.

Your right the 951 is a m2 which are pretty hot in use and on my board the m2 slots are darn close to some potentially hot stuff. So I hunted a pci-e add-on card that I could use in slot three which is the coolest place to use. I also knew I would be only using one gfx card so there would be plenty of space between the 951 and the gfx. Plus me gfx has three fans which help to draw heat away from the 951. Also using the pci-e slot for the 951 means it can run at full speed and no sata slots are lost. Win win all round. Mind you finding a decent cheap add on card took some time and getting Windows to boot was a nightmare. Still I have it all running sweet and dual booting is no problem so I'm a happy chappy.

http://techreport.co...ard-reviewed/2

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Since the M2H M.2 slot shares its PCIe lanes with the third PCIe x16 slot, installing a PCIe-based SSD in this slot while the controller is in normal mode doesn't cause you to lose any SATA ports.

https://www.gigabyte...ming-7-rev-10m

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 10:03 AM

Awesome!! What m2 adapter are you using?
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Posted 10 June 2017 - 12:28 PM

I may skip SSDs and just wait for quantum memory. ;)

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 02:07 PM

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Awesome!! What m2 adapter are you using?

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Then I came across this and though why not,

Samsung SM951 NVMe 256GB M.2 SSD

Of course I need a adapter card for the above, but where to get a red one from, took some searching but eventually I found this,


PCIe M.2 controller card for 2 SSD : 1x M2 SSD B Key SATA + 1x M2 M Key PCIe

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