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V.T. Eric Layton

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Alternative init systems will still be available on Debian. As systemd will be default and some object to this, someone was bound to fork it with another one.

I tend to think it will be more of a derivative or mix than a fork. It would take a massive effort to duplicate Debian's repositories and resources.

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As init or systemd are a major part of the os I personally think it is a good thing to have both being developed. Any time you get a major component accepted as THE WAY you are generally headed for trouble and innovation gets stifled. For example VHS was not as good as BETA in quality yet VHS became the norm. An look at Windows rise to prominence simply through slick salesmanship and look at the mess it has created and all the innovation it has stifled.

 

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Well I got the Slacktop up and running . But I've either got a glitch or forgotten how to get Netmanager working .So still on Deb for surfin USA Today and other stuff...

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# netconfig

 

 # /etc/rc.d/rc.networkmanager start/stop/restart

 

?? Why do you have to stop , start and restart ?? Do you have to do that every time ??? :harhar:

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Avoiding systemd isn't hard

 

 

 

 

 

Don't listen to trolls. They lie.

Debian was and continues to be about choice. Previously, you could configure Debian to use other init systems, and you can continue to do so in the future.

 

 

http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html

 

So you can and will be able to use Debian without systemd.

 

I recon this guys knows his onions,

 

http://www.vitavonni.de/projekte/

 

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?? Why do you have to stop , start and restart ?? Do you have to do that every time ??? :harhar:

 

No it is just the options.. Sort of the same as systemd:

systemctl start/stop/enable name.service
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# netconfig

 

 # /etc/rc.d/rc.networkmanager start/stop/restart

 

Nice one ,got it now. :star: :star: :star:

 

 

Stuck with firefox 14.01. Just hope I don't have to go through the rigmarole I had getting Deb to update FF. My poor old head is ringing like a bell . I'm making heavy weather with this . Never will give up though

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V.T. Eric Layton

 

 

No it is just the options.. Sort of the same as systemd:

 

He knows. He's just being... well, being Erik. Actually, he could even be being Eric. They do have similarities. ;)

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V.T. Eric Layton

 

 

Nice one ,got it now. :star: :star: :star:

 

 

Stuck with firefox 14.01. Just hope I don't have to go through the rigmarole I had getting Deb to update FF. My poor old head is ringing like a bell . I'm making heavy weather with this . Never will give up though

 

Firefox? Blech! Get yourself some Chromium for your Slack, man. :)

 

http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/chromium/

 

http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/chromium-widevine-plugin/

 

http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/chromium-pepperflash-plugin/

 

Thank Alien Bob (Eric Hameleers --> alien -at- slackware -dot- com) for that when you get a minute. :)

 

You can also build (via SlackBuild) Google-Chrome if you prefer. They SlackBuild script and instructions are here --> ftp://slackware.oregonstate.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-14.1/extra/google-chrome/ (32 bit)

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He knows. He's just being... well, being Erik. Actually, he could even be being Eric. They do have similarities. ;)

 

Well you never know....

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Chromium is a whole new ball-game for me . It's going to take me a little time to muddle through .

Just a little worried as Slackbox is a little raw and unprotected at the moment .

I will d/ld those to disk and work them over to the lappy

 

Appreciated muchly

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Yeah, it takes a little getting used to, but once you do... WOO-HOO! :)

 

Your Slackbox is a "little raw and unprotected." In what way? If it's up-to-date, it's just about as bulletproof as any Linux out there; maybe more that most, actually.

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Your Slackbox is a "little raw and unprotected." In what way? If it's up-to-date, it's just about as bulletproof as any Linux out there; maybe more that most, actually.

 

Exactly!! I was wondering what he meant by that? :thumbup:

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where do I start . No IP tables .No add blockers .No cookie crunchers . No tracker dumpers . Himself knows what else is wide open .

 

Will have to get deadwood copy of Slack book . Cannot settle to reading the book on the screen . Does my head in .

 

I haven't even updated the thing yet . It's a bit different to Symantic.

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And some salient points from an actual Debian dev -

http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_454

 

Some non-developers have recently threatened of "forking Debian" if this GR will not pass, apparently without understanding well the concept: Debian welcomes forks and I think that having more users working on free software would be great no matter which init system they favour....

2.1.1 Nothing in this constitution imposes an obligation on anyone to do work for the Project. A person who does not want to do a task which has been delegated or assigned to them does not need to do it. [...]

...and a interesting talk by one of the debian-systemd-maintainers:

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Here is a slant from SUSE,

 

http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/65877-systemd-but-no-journald-in-new-suse-releaAn did we already have this link

 

An did we already have this link ?

 

http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html

 

 

Avoiding systemd isn't hard

 

 

 

 

 

Don't listen to trolls. They lie.

Debian was and continues to be about choice. Previously, you could configure Debian to use other init systems, and you can continue to do so in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

:breakfast:

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  • 2 weeks later...

More on the systemd fiasco.

 

The Debian and systemd debate has pushed yet another developer to quit an important role in the Debian project. Tollef Fog Heen has resigned his position because of the constant attacks regarding the implementation of systemd in Debian.

 

and this also,

 

Linux extremists owe Debian systemd maintainer an apology

 

 

 

I have to wonder at the behaviour of those who drove him to this. Did they stop even for a second to consider the effects their attacks would have on him as a human being? We all have plenty of stress in our lives, but to be constantly under assault online while doing your best in a volunteer position must have been very hard on him.

 

I wish the folks that were attacking him had paused for just a moment to consider how he must have felt being on the receiving end of their onslaught of attacks. If they had been able to put themselves in his shoes then they might have realized the need to temper their own emotions and focus on the issues involved with systemd and not on making constant personal attacks.

 

This sort of extremism does absolutely nothing for Linux or open source in general. It simply reinforces the view of some people that the Linux community is filled with emotionally stunted, immature people who cannot disagree in a civil, responsible way. It reflects badly on the entire community and gives the false impression that this behaviour is to somehow be expected from Linux users.

 

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