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#51 OFFLINE   securitybreach

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 12:41 AM

This says it is the F1 key:
http://forums.lenovo...tup/td-p/143545
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Posted 05 December 2014 - 05:11 AM

Hello,

There's an interesting discussion about Wi-Fi upgrades for the R61 on reddit at http://www.reddit.co...rd_for_an_r61/.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:02 AM

The down arrow key is functional, Liz. Josh, F1 certainly is a possibility- in that I have no ready way of checking it. This silly lappie uses a dramatic hardware key for the F2 key to get you into BIOS- the 'ThinkVantage' key. No idea about F1 at this time. Maybe this is something that I will have to live with? Anyway, FWIW the first box I had here with the bad space key did not give me this key 40 nonsense. Ugh!

I'll read the wifi article shortly, Aryeh- thanks! Now off to fire up the stove and heat up my place, bbl...
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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:13 AM

Well the link I gave basically says that you need to clean the key using compressed air or such
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Posted 05 December 2014 - 10:52 PM

View Postgoretsky, on 05 December 2014 - 05:11 AM, said:

Hello,

There's an interesting discussion about Wi-Fi upgrades for the R61 on reddit at http://www.reddit.co...rd_for_an_r61/.

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Thanks, Aryeh-

That is a very useful article. So far, I have noticed that my wifi indicator is lit while
running in Win7, not lit when running a live DVD session of Linux Mint 17. I assume
it would also light if I had Mint installed.

BTW I had purchased a modest 60G SSD to use with this lappie. Meanwhile, I
got hold of another of many tower PCs I have here, and I needed a hard drive,
so I popped it in the tower 'temporarily' and installed Mint 17 just to see how the
tower did. More about the tower later, in another thread. It's another Dell...

Boy, was I impressed at my first ever experience with a SSD. Sure boots up
an OS very fast!

So anyway my wifi will proceed slowly but eventually I will get to it. I need to look
up the specs of the stock wifi for the R61. I could have sworn I remember seeing
reference to wireless G? Not sure... Or maybe even Wireless N?

Edited by Cluttermagnet, 05 December 2014 - 10:53 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 10:57 PM

View Postsecuritybreach, on 05 December 2014 - 11:13 AM, said:

Well the link I gave basically says that you need to clean the key using compressed air or such

Right, so I gathered. Well, I have her an old Freon tank a friend gave me years ago. He had
it fitted with a pressure gage and a hose with a pistol grip sprayer on the end. I have used
it for just this sort of thing in the past. Need to get that out and try this. I have a modest 12V
battery jumper thingie with a compressor on it. I can also take the big tank over to a
nearby town where the local BP still has free air, and pump it up. A charge lasts a while
on that big tank. Beats those little spray cans...

P.S. It's light green colored and about the size of those 20lb. propane tanks you see on
barbecue grilles.

Edited by Cluttermagnet, 05 December 2014 - 11:09 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:06 PM

I can tell you guys that this Lenovo R61 is doing great with LM 17 Mate, as predicted.
And I bet it works out of the box with wifi, too. For the low bucks, I think it is going
to perform well for me, even with a lowly Celeron CPU in it.

Running the Terminal command
sudo udisks --dump | grep -A 24 Updates
tells me the box has accumulated 40.2 days on the hard drive, with 348 power
cycles. That looks pretty good for such old hardware. A few more hours than the
drive in the first lappie, but at least in the same ballpark. The other one said
18.x days.

BTW those of you who may remember Robin Williams lesser known "The World
According to Garp", will recognize the phrase (paraphrasing) "...honey, it's perfect-
it's been pre-disastered." Considering the warranty return and scratched case,
I think my lappie qualifies. Yep, pre-disastered... :whistling:

Oh, a question for you guys- so far as running Linux on this lappie, how slow
would it be to run a 32G USB flash drive through a USB2 port? Compared with
a 5400rpm 2.5in internal drive? No USB3 on this box...

Also, after I figure out which sort of flash cards the slot in the front of this thing
accepts, would that be faster than a USB flash drive? I would think so...
There were options, I can't yet tell what sort of card fits in that slot. Maybe SD?
It's about 1 inch wide.

There is also some big window in the side, looks big enough to fit an old audio
cassette or so, I think it's called 'PC card' or something like that? Haven't yet
figured out what that is and whether it might be of use to me.

Edited by Cluttermagnet, 05 December 2014 - 11:30 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 08:53 AM

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Oh, a question for you guys- so far as running Linux on this lappie, how slow
would it be to run a 32G USB flash drive through a USB2 port? Compared with
a 5400rpm 2.5in internal drive? No USB3 on this box...

I came across an article some time ago that stated that using a USB 3 stick would give faster results than a USB 2 stick in a USB 2 port.

http://www.anandtech...drive-roundup/6

As to card slots,



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Connections & Expansion

  • Expansion Bays
    1 x Ultrabay Slim

  • Slots
    2 x memory ( 1 free )
    1 x CardBus ( 1 free )

  • Interfaces
    3 x USB 2.0 - 4 pin USB Type A
    1 x display / video - VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15)
    1 x modem - phone line - RJ-11
    1 x network - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX/1000Base-T - RJ-45
    1 x microphone - input - mini-phone 3.5 mm
    1 x headphones - output - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm
    1 x docking / port replicator - 240 pin docking
    1 x IEEE 1394 (FireWire) - 4 pin FireWire

  • Memory Card Reader
    4 in 1 ( SD Card, Memory Stick PRO, MultiMediaCard, xD-Picture


http://www.cnet.com/...kpad-r61/specs/

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 10:16 AM

Modern 5400 rpm drives can do about 500 Mbit/s whereas USB2 can only do 480 Mbit/s

Personally I would never use a 5400 drive if possible as the 7200 are so cheap now that there really isn't a difference besides the fact that 7200 can do double the speed (1000 Mbit/s I believe)

What you really need is a SSD card as the good ones can do 540 MB/s read/write.
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Posted 08 December 2014 - 10:40 AM

Apparently with a modded bios you can get SATA 3 speed with a ssd on that machine.

http://forums.lenovo...b-s/td-p/245799

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 10:43 AM

Cool but Sata3 versus Sata6 on an ssd is a bit complicated:
http://www.tomshardw...3gbps,3110.html
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Posted 09 December 2014 - 10:29 AM

Hello,

The Middleton BIOS unlocks support for SATA Revision 2.0 speeds, which is 3.0Gbp/s.   A few people who have used it have reported odd behavior when resuming from sleep with things like secondary SSD drives installed in Ultrabay trays, though, if memory serves.

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 08:19 PM

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There is also some big window in the side, looks big enough to fit an old audio
cassette or so, I think it's called 'PC card' or something like that? Haven't yet

figured out what that is and whether it might be of use to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Card

PCMCIA cards used to be handy if you wanted to hook up a wifi or Ethernet connection to an old laptop but they have been supplanted by USB. Another deprecated piece of hardware like a floppy drive.
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Posted 09 December 2014 - 11:27 PM

Thanks, Guys-
A lot of good info here, and I'll need a little time to fully digest the implications.

Meanwhile, I had started a separate topic in Hardware where I'm trying to
drill down to what my choices are, going into this experience. Bear in mind
that, to date, I have never had an OS on a USB drive. That is about to
happen now. And I just fired up my first SSD ever about a week ago. I got
a 60G Corsair off of a sale on NewEgg, and was quite impressed at how
fast it made my new Dell box (new to me- Dell Precision T3400). So much
impressed that I'm just going to leave the 60G SSD in the Dell tower and
have just ordered another Corsair 120G SSD to put in the Lenovo R61 lappie.
I just don't want to risk Win7 online, so I'm going to image that drive onto
a USB flash drive and then put it away and stick the new SSD in its place
and put Linux on that. As and when I get back up to speed on how to
properly defend Win7, then I'll consider taking it online.

BTW somewhat unrelated question- will my copy of Win7 self-cripple if I
pass the 30 day mark and it has not yet seen internet to 'validate'?
'Cause it hasn't had even the slightest peek at internet, so far...

Also- is it a waste of time to take an image of the OS as is, considering
it has not been validated online?

Edited by Cluttermagnet, 09 December 2014 - 11:33 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 11:34 PM

Did they ever use this type of card for memory? Or only comm interfaces such as you describe?

View Postraymac46, on 09 December 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Card

PCMCIA cards used to be handy if you wanted to hook up a wifi or Ethernet connection to an old laptop but they have been supplanted by USB. Another deprecated piece of hardware like a floppy drive.

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 01:15 AM

View PostCluttermagnet, on 09 December 2014 - 11:34 PM, said:

Did they ever use this type of card for memory? Or only comm interfaces such as you describe?

They were mostly used for addon cards but there were some for storage. Mind you, this was back when 32mb was added storage: http://www.amazon.co...A/dp/B0014C81KO
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 09:56 AM

Yes I don't think you'd find a CardBus card with much memory capacity.
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Posted 13 December 2014 - 09:33 PM

Oh joy-

Following the instructions in the Lenovo manual for the R61, I removed the one screw holding on the HDD cover.
I absolutely cannot get that cover to extract in any direction! Feels like it is latched in some way at its bottom
edge. Fearing breaking the stupid thing, I will proceed no further until rescued. This is NOT going in accordance
with the seemingly simple instructions in the Lenovo manual.

http://support.lenov...docs/MIGR-67760

Ideas, anyone?

BTW their idea of instructions doesn't include any narrative whatever, just pictorials...
Step 2 shows an 'up and out' sort of arrow. I cannot get it to pull up or in any other
direction, for that matter.

Angry enough to chew nails! I hated laptops going into this. My feelings getting reinforced
here. Sooooo disappointed. I was going to get this lappy going with a new SSD and Mint17 so
Betty has something to work with. Not going to happen tonight...

Edit: OK, so you just brute force it...

https://www.youtube....h?v=brbo-9Q-LG0

Edit2: Installed 120GB SSD, In process of installing Linux Mint 17...

Edited by Cluttermagnet, 13 December 2014 - 10:31 PM.

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 04:00 AM

Hello,

Lenovo provides a complete set of video tutorials on how to disassemble and replace every part on their ThinkPads.

The videos can be found here:  Lenovo Service and Support Training.

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:58 AM

Nice find, Aryeh- I'll definitely save those.

I did get the R61 running with LM17 and handed it off to Betty to use while I assess her fallen G570.
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Posted 16 December 2014 - 03:46 PM

Siiighhhh... NewEgg lost me as a customer today. I was treated poorly. I'm going to miss that venue. They have a lot of neat stuff. But they lost me today. Threw away a lot of business. Was about to buy a replacement laptop for Betty. We'll take that business elsewhere now. But I'm going to miss them...

Lesson of the day: Flunkies (functionaries) have no authority and therefore cannot help you with your problems if those are the least bit out of the ordinary. No matter how nice a person they are, if they have no authority they cannot help you.

I'll spend the rest of my life subtly steering folks away from NewEgg. I have a long memory...
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Posted 16 December 2014 - 05:15 PM

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 12:28 AM

View Postebrke, on 16 December 2014 - 05:15 PM, said:

What happened?
Yes, please elaborate
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Posted 17 December 2014 - 01:19 AM

The gist of it is that they must have changed the functionality of their website recently. It kicked out my
promo code rebate of some 50 dollars. In the past, this was no problem. I snuck it by them repeatedly
that I, the recipient of their email special offers, was actually using the credit card of a 3rd party to pay
them. No more. Their site is able somehow to sniff that out now- it did not in the past- over dozens and
dozens of buys including Betty's Lenovo G570. I don't do the credit card thing any more, personally.
That's a whole 'nother subject. But I still do like to buy things online...

So they wouldn't give Betty the 50 dollar discount, then after some half hour of wrangling and the
rep going to her supervisor a couple of times, they finally tried to buy me off for 15 bucks, then in
desperation 25 bucks. Nope, I held my ground and in the end it was a standoff. She was nice and
quite civil, nothing against her, but she was just a powerless functionary, ultimately. I wished her
well and signed off of that chat, having made it clear to her that they were throwing a loyal customer
overboard and throwing away a lot of future business. She seemed genuinely remorseful. Nothing
against her- she simply had no power to do anything in the area of 'adjustments'. Company policy,
you know. A nice person, I'm sure, and the discussion was entirely polite, FWIW. And I'm now a
former customer of theirs.

So we were not able to buy the refurb Lenovo T420 that they had originally gotten me interested
in- as a replacement for Betty's dead G570, at 309.00 special price. 359.00 regular price...
Ah well, what people sometimes fail to grasp is that I never bluff... I have at times confounded poker
players- although I never personally play that game...

I invested a couple more hours researching the T420 on Ebay, learned a bunch of new things about
that model. Ended up buying one from a quite reputable firm for 285.00 It's a better unit with a faster
i5 processor, 2.6GHz and more RAM (8 vs 4G), the better display (1600x900 vx. 1364x768) and on
and on. Betty already likes my little cheapie R61 refurb. With a 1.8GHz Celeron, for gosh sakes.
She is going to love the T420...

I had to giggle- I saw NewEgg in the Ebay listings with the exact, identical refurb T420 at 379.00.
Amazing...

Edited by Cluttermagnet, 17 December 2014 - 02:03 AM.

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 02:46 AM

I personally just use a prepaid credit card when I do my shopping as I do not deal with banks either.
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