V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 What the fork? http://www.debianfork.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Alternative init systems will still be available on Debian. As systemd will be default and some object to this, someone was bound to fork it with another one. I tend to think it will be more of a derivative or mix than a fork. It would take a massive effort to duplicate Debian's repositories and resources. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Agreed Sunrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 As init or systemd are a major part of the os I personally think it is a good thing to have both being developed. Any time you get a major component accepted as THE WAY you are generally headed for trouble and innovation gets stifled. For example VHS was not as good as BETA in quality yet VHS became the norm. An look at Windows rise to prominence simply through slick salesmanship and look at the mess it has created and all the innovation it has stifled. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Browsed around on this subject:- conclusion ... I've dusted off the slackbox and am getting it ready to switch . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Well I got the Slacktop up and running . But I've either got a glitch or forgotten how to get Netmanager working .So still on Deb for surfin USA Today and other stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 # netconfig # /etc/rc.d/rc.networkmanager start/stop/restart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 # netconfig # /etc/rc.d/rc.networkmanager start/stop/restart ?? Why do you have to stop , start and restart ?? Do you have to do that every time ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Avoiding systemd isn't hard Don't listen to trolls. They lie. Debian was and continues to be about choice. Previously, you could configure Debian to use other init systems, and you can continue to do so in the future. http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html So you can and will be able to use Debian without systemd. I recon this guys knows his onions, http://www.vitavonni.de/projekte/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 ?? Why do you have to stop , start and restart ?? Do you have to do that every time ??? No it is just the options.. Sort of the same as systemd: systemctl start/stop/enable name.service 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 # netconfig # /etc/rc.d/rc.networkmanager start/stop/restart Nice one ,got it now. :star: Stuck with firefox 14.01. Just hope I don't have to go through the rigmarole I had getting Deb to update FF. My poor old head is ringing like a bell . I'm making heavy weather with this . Never will give up though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 No it is just the options.. Sort of the same as systemd: He knows. He's just being... well, being Erik. Actually, he could even be being Eric. They do have similarities. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Nice one ,got it now. :star: Stuck with firefox 14.01. Just hope I don't have to go through the rigmarole I had getting Deb to update FF. My poor old head is ringing like a bell . I'm making heavy weather with this . Never will give up though Firefox? Blech! Get yourself some Chromium for your Slack, man. http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/chromium/ http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/chromium-widevine-plugin/ http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/chromium-pepperflash-plugin/ Thank Alien Bob (Eric Hameleers --> alien -at- slackware -dot- com) for that when you get a minute. You can also build (via SlackBuild) Google-Chrome if you prefer. They SlackBuild script and instructions are here --> ftp://slackware.oregonstate.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-14.1/extra/google-chrome/ (32 bit) Edited October 24, 2014 by V.T. Eric Layton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 He knows. He's just being... well, being Erik. Actually, he could even be being Eric. They do have similarities. Well you never know.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Chromium is a whole new ball-game for me . It's going to take me a little time to muddle through . Just a little worried as Slackbox is a little raw and unprotected at the moment . I will d/ld those to disk and work them over to the lappy Appreciated muchly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 Yeah, it takes a little getting used to, but once you do... WOO-HOO! Your Slackbox is a "little raw and unprotected." In what way? If it's up-to-date, it's just about as bulletproof as any Linux out there; maybe more that most, actually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Your Slackbox is a "little raw and unprotected." In what way? If it's up-to-date, it's just about as bulletproof as any Linux out there; maybe more that most, actually. Exactly!! I was wondering what he meant by that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Well you never know.... You are wise to be cautious as I do have several holes in my sieve of knowledge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 You are wise to be cautious as I do have several holes in my sieve of knowledge. I happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 where do I start . No IP tables .No add blockers .No cookie crunchers . No tracker dumpers . Himself knows what else is wide open . Will have to get deadwood copy of Slack book . Cannot settle to reading the book on the screen . Does my head in . I haven't even updated the thing yet . It's a bit different to Symantic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Must read.. http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/81262.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.T. Eric Layton Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 What a forkin' mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnian Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Very good article. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluttermagnet Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Yeah, good article- way over my head, but still interesting... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 And some interesting commentary from siduction news - Debian will unlikely be forked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securitybreach Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 And some interesting commentary from siduction news - Debian will unlikely be forked Yes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrat Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 And some salient points from an actual Debian dev - http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_454 Some non-developers have recently threatened of "forking Debian" if this GR will not pass, apparently without understanding well the concept: Debian welcomes forks and I think that having more users working on free software would be great no matter which init system they favour.... 2.1.1 Nothing in this constitution imposes an obligation on anyone to do work for the Project. A person who does not want to do a task which has been delegated or assigned to them does not need to do it. [...] ...and a interesting talk by one of the debian-systemd-maintainers: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Here is a slant from SUSE, http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/65877-systemd-but-no-journald-in-new-suse-releaAn did we already have this link An did we already have this link ? http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html Avoiding systemd isn't hard Don't listen to trolls. They lie. Debian was and continues to be about choice. Previously, you could configure Debian to use other init systems, and you can continue to do so in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Crow Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 AGGGHHHH!!!!!.. Just found systemd on the HD.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abarbarian Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 More on the systemd fiasco. The Debian and systemd debate has pushed yet another developer to quit an important role in the Debian project. Tollef Fog Heen has resigned his position because of the constant attacks regarding the implementation of systemd in Debian. and this also, Linux extremists owe Debian systemd maintainer an apology I have to wonder at the behaviour of those who drove him to this. Did they stop even for a second to consider the effects their attacks would have on him as a human being? We all have plenty of stress in our lives, but to be constantly under assault online while doing your best in a volunteer position must have been very hard on him. I wish the folks that were attacking him had paused for just a moment to consider how he must have felt being on the receiving end of their onslaught of attacks. If they had been able to put themselves in his shoes then they might have realized the need to temper their own emotions and focus on the issues involved with systemd and not on making constant personal attacks. This sort of extremism does absolutely nothing for Linux or open source in general. It simply reinforces the view of some people that the Linux community is filled with emotionally stunted, immature people who cannot disagree in a civil, responsible way. It reflects badly on the entire community and gives the false impression that this behaviour is to somehow be expected from Linux users. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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